Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 27, 2016, 11:14:51 AM

Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 27, 2016, 10:13:58 AM

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Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 27, 2016, 09:50:42 AM

No
The lesson is not that all men are bad
The lesson is that all bad people are bad

Bad people exist
And we're trying to keep them out of bathrooms

Your argument is literally "you're not letting us do whatever we want so fuck you"

While female to male rape does happen, the debate is firmly in the "you're gonna let men use the women's room" area.

I use men entering women bathrooms as my primary example to avoid confusion
But I am very much against women entering the men's bathroom too

There
Can we get back to actual discussion now instead of you putting words in my mouth?

But you aren't the only one saying that.

I don't get what you're trying to pull

Are you implying that the people against this law hate men on women harassment but are completely fine with women on men harassment?

That makes no sense
No one is saying that any harassment is ok
I don't get why you're trying to frame it like that

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 27, 2016, 11:36:53 AM

Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 27, 2016, 11:29:02 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 27, 2016, 11:14:51 AM

Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 27, 2016, 10:13:58 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 27, 2016, 09:55:48 AM

Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 27, 2016, 09:50:42 AM

No
The lesson is not that all men are bad
The lesson is that all bad people are bad

Bad people exist
And we're trying to keep them out of bathrooms

Your argument is literally "you're not letting us do whatever we want so fuck you"

While female to male rape does happen, the debate is firmly in the "you're gonna let men use the women's room" area.

I use men entering women bathrooms as my primary example to avoid confusion
But I am very much against women entering the men's bathroom too

There
Can we get back to actual discussion now instead of you putting words in my mouth?

But you aren't the only one saying that.

I don't get what you're trying to pull

Are you implying that the people against this law hate men on women harassment but are completely fine with women on men harassment?

That makes no sense
No one is saying that any harassment is ok
I don't get why you're trying to frame it like that

I'm not changing the frame of this argument. Look at any news story. Look at any debate. Nearly no one is talking about W2M Trans going into men's rooms.

Men present more of a risk to women than women to men

But I guarantee you one one is saying that women on men abuse is ok

You are no more vulnerable in a restroom than you are in any other sparcely populated area.
If you really feel threatened, use the buddy system or excersise your second amendment rights.
The government does not exist to make you feel safe. It exists to extort money from you at gunpoint.

Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 27, 2016, 02:06:13 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 27, 2016, 01:19:15 PM

They represent the same risk as they did before the law. A bathroom door isn't gender coded so only women can enter.

No they didn't
Because before, the police come to take you away if you fuck around in a bathroom that's not your gender
Now you can say
"Oh I wasn't doing anything I'm just a trans person"

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And what you says proves me right. "Men represent more of a risk."

So if we allow trans in, rapists will pass the gender coded door and rape at will? You're worried that (some) men are rapists, but you can't tell who. So it's better to treat all men, even transgendered, as rapists, lest the sanctity of a ladies room be violated.

What are you arguing right now?
All you're trying to do is put me on the same level as feminists to take away my credibility
You haven't said jack shit about policy
You're just doing all you can to twist my words to somehow say "all men are rapists"

You're a dumbass
Men pose more of a risk to women because they do
Women are raped at 5 times the rate that men are
Don't even try to tell me more men are raped than women are

This doesn't mean we think all men are rapists
I challenge you to find one, only one person who thinks men on women rape is bad but is totally fine with women on men rape

And don't even use rape as an example
Rape is a bad example
You go to jail for rape whether you do it in a bathroom or anywhere else
You really think our argument is "people will rape each other and get away scott free"
It's not
Cut the bullshit

The point here is that you leave a loophole for predators to use
You strip the bathroom of its inherent privacy because now any trans person could be a potential stalker
A potential stalker you can not call the police on

you CAN call the police on a stalker though
The same point you made about rape can be made about stalking

Quote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: IngloriousWho98 on May 27, 2016, 02:06:13 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 27, 2016, 01:19:15 PM

They represent the same risk as they did before the law. A bathroom door isn't gender coded so only women can enter.

No they didn't
Because before, the police come to take you away if you fuck around in a bathroom that's not your gender
Now you can say
"Oh I wasn't doing anything I'm just a trans person"

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And what you says proves me right. "Men represent more of a risk."

So if we allow trans in, rapists will pass the gender coded door and rape at will? You're worried that (some) men are rapists, but you can't tell who. So it's better to treat all men, even transgendered, as rapists, lest the sanctity of a ladies room be violated.

What are you arguing right now?
All you're trying to do is put me on the same level as feminists to take away my credibility
You haven't said jack shit about policy
You're just doing all you can to twist my words to somehow say "all men are rapists"

You're a dumbass
Men pose more of a risk to women because they do
Women are raped at 5 times the rate that men are
Don't even try to tell me more men are raped than women are

This doesn't mean we think all men are rapists
I challenge you to find one, only one person who thinks men on women rape is bad but is totally fine with women on men rape

And don't even use rape as an example
Rape is a bad example
You go to jail for rape whether you do it in a bathroom or anywhere else
You really think our argument is "people will rape each other and get away scott free"
It's not
Cut the bullshit

The point here is that you leave a loophole for predators to use
You strip the bathroom of its inherent privacy because now any trans person could be a potential stalker
A potential stalker you can not call the police on

you CAN call the police on a stalker though
The same point you made about rape can be made about stalking

It becomes one word against another
Stalker could just as easily as deny it

Stalker wouldn't even be allowed in the bathroom in the first place if not for this law

Because you should be afraid. The Homosexuals could attack you at any moment when you think you're safe in the sanctity of your gender barricaded bathroom.