The first trailer for Star Wars Episode VII is here

 
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Learn what tokenism is brah. Tokenism is actually fucking racist as it's pigeonholing a character based on their skin color or gender in order to fill a quota. This is one black character in whats been shown to be an all white cast and he seems to have little to no actual development from the trailer that should be introducing him as a main character. Same with the girl who's also supposed to be a main character.

If I were to compare them to the main characters from the OT reveal trailers I could actually get a feel for how each character is and thus become interested in them. Meanwhile with this post OT reveal trailer I feel absolutely nothing for these two since I'm not given anything other than a pretty face in whats supposed to be introducing them to me. Meanwhile I know the old cast is returning and if the same effort was put into these new characters you wouldn't have me thinking tokenism. They'd actually feel like they were a part of what's supposed to be the story instead of just an afterthought.

Once again. I'd appreciate it if you'd go on your racist witch hunt elsewhere.


 
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Your whole side of this boils down to "waaahhh a black guy that doesn't do something cool or some shit like lando in the trailer. he obviously has no character and is only there because tokenism".

Actually it didn't. However you can't actually argue against me so you're resorting to purposely misquoting me. Lando wouldn't have even been brought up if you didn't try to paint me as some sort of racist.

This could have been a civil conversation on why I felt this was tokenism if you hadn't decided to purposely stir shit up.


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Learn what tokenism is brah. Tokenism is actually fucking racist as it's pigeonholing a character based on their skin color or gender in order to fill a quota. This is one black character in whats been shown to be an all white cast and he seems to have little to no actual development from the trailer that should be introducing him as a main character. Same with the girl who's also supposed to be a main character.

If I were to compare them to the main characters from the OT reveal trailers I could actually get a feel for how each character is and thus become interested in them. Meanwhile with this post OT reveal trailer I feel absolutely nothing for these two since I'm not given anything other than a pretty face in whats supposed to be introducing them to me. Meanwhile I know the old cast is returning and if the same effort was put into these new characters you wouldn't have me thinking tokenism. They'd actually feel like they were a part of what's supposed to be the story instead of just an afterthought.

Once again. I'd appreciate it if you'd go on your racist witch hunt elsewhere.
Learn who the main cast are "brah." At least half of them are female along with the chick in 12 Years A Slave. He's far from being "token."

And yeah, perhaps they are trying to attract more demographics, but it's probably due to what market forces dictate, not some SJW conspiracy like you seem to think it is.

How are you judging these characters? Have you been given a leaked script? Are you sleeping with JJ? Are you psychic? Where can I get this lucrative information on these characters we know absolutely nothing about?


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Hey Commissar, this was a teaser. I guarantee in the reveal trailer there'll be much more. Right now the purpose was to show a few important faces and scenery, then finish with something nostalgic to get us excited.


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I was pretty surprised that every bit of leaked information I had read and concept art I had seen turned out to be for the most part, true. So far. A picture of the villain with the pronged saber was leaked not too long ago, concept art of Daisy on the speeder, and that Boyega would be a stormtrooper (or at least someone posing as one)

Most people seem to think the voice over is Andy Serkis. I think the Sith we see in the forest is either Adam Driver, or Gwendoline Christie. Andy Serkis would be their master.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
IIRC the movies make it fairly clear that a lot of rebels are ex-empire, and they're not clones. Luke's best friend joined the Imperial Academy but quit and became an X-Wing pilot.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
IIRC the movies make it fairly clear that a lot of rebels are ex-empire, and they're not clones. Luke's best fiend joined the Imperial Academy but quit and became an X-Wing pilot.
Really? I don't remember this.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
IIRC the movies make it fairly clear that a lot of rebels are ex-empire, and they're not clones. Luke's best fiend joined the Imperial Academy but quit and became an X-Wing pilot.
Really? I don't remember this.
I don't remember how much of it was cut from the movie, but he's there at the briefing of the Death Star plans.


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>TFW when no one likes a teaser that was made after filming was wrapped up under a month a go.

Seriously, the fact they had anything to show us at all is surprising.

1. Black guy and chick are the main characters. Neither are Jedi. However, the chick may undergo training by Luke.

2. "Sith" we see (probably) isn't actually a Sith, but someone used to the Dark Side, who collects Sith artifacts.

3. Han Solo (may) grows to trust the collector, resulting in tension between him and Luke.

4. Luke may be falling to the Dark Side a-la the now non-canon EU.

5. Imperial forces we see are most likely fragmented factions from the Empire, now controlled by Moffs.

6. Simon Pegg is a Storm Trooper and has his arms ripped off by Chewbacca.

Wouldn't that be the "Imperial Remnant"?
Sure, but I'm not as fluent with Star Wars as I am with Halo, so I don't want apply Halo's nomenclature to Star Wars.

Unless that is the canonical name for the surviving sects of the Empire.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.


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Seriously though, what the fuck was with the pop-up panting black dude?

He just raped a white woman and stole a Sith Lords TV, I'd be sweaty too.


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To people complaining about Boyega being a Stormtrooper...by the time the OT takes place a lot of Stormtroopers are recruits, and only some are still clones. By the time of this movie, it is possible that these guys are hired mercs who are only in it for the money, or are conscripted against their will to fight by what's left of the Empire. And this is thirty years after the OT...I don't think there would be any Jango clones still in service, unless they are still actively cloning. They have shorter life spans, and also they'd be in their fifties/sixties for a normal person. People seem to be forgetting these facts.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.
Oh.
So KoToR and Force Unleshed is still canon?


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
To people complaining about Boyega being a Stormtrooper...by the time the OT takes place a lot of Stormtroopers are recruits, and only some are still clones. By the time of this movie, it is possible that these guys are hired mercs who are only in it for the money, or are conscripted against their will to fight by what's left of the Empire. And this is thirty years after the OT...I don't think there would be any Jango clones still in service, unless they are still actively cloning. They have shorter life spans, and also they'd be in their fifties/sixties for a normal person. People seem to be forgetting these facts.
I don't think it's the fact that he's black that we're pissing on, but that he was essentially a goddamn jump scare and made no sense.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.
uh no. Disney said anything that wasn't mentioned in the movies or cartoon series from the EU is axed. As such, Republic Commando is canon since they're in the Cartoon series for a short while.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.
uh no. Disney said anything that wasn't mentioned in the movies or cartoon series from the EU is axed. As such, Republic Commando is canon since they're in the Cartoon series for a short while.
Really? I could have sworn it was only post-EIV stuff.

Got a link that corroborates your statement?


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.
uh no. Disney said anything that wasn't mentioned in the movies or cartoon series from the EU is axed. As such, Republic Commando is canon since they're in the Cartoon series for a short while.
Really? I could have sworn it was only post-EIV stuff.

Got a link that corroborates your statement?
Have you got one? I'm going off of memory from people I talked with and the sources I read when the original announcement was made. Looking up internet sources that are reliable is a pain in the ass, and I'd rather not do it if you've got something better.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
Why not?
It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.
Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.
So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.
uh no. Disney said anything that wasn't mentioned in the movies or cartoon series from the EU is axed. As such, Republic Commando is canon since they're in the Cartoon series for a short while.
Really? I could have sworn it was only post-EIV stuff.

Got a link that corroborates your statement?
Have you got one? I'm going off of memory from people I talked with and the sources I read when the original announcement was made. Looking up internet sources that are reliable is a pain in the ass, and I'd rather not do it if you've got something better.
Lemme see.

In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe.

Best I can do for now. Gotta go.


 
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Learn who the main cast are "brah." At least half of them are female along with the chick in 12 Years A Slave. He's far from being "token."

The actors past roles play no bearing on what they're currently in. I could bring up Disney as the producer and point out how they're notorious for tokenism. That would actually have some bearing on this.

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And yeah, perhaps they are trying to attract more demographics, but it's probably due to what market forces dictate, not some SJW conspiracy like you seem to think it is.
I never stated that it was some SJW conspiracy. Way to put words in my mouth. Good to see that you're actually admitting that this seems a little like tokenism. Especially since all I'm able to take away from these characters is "I'm a woman and I'm black" while in the OT trailers I could come away with a good feeling for who each of the characters were.

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How are you judging these characters? Have you been given a leaked script? Are you sleeping with JJ? Are you psychic? Where can I get this lucrative information on these characters we know absolutely nothing about?

I've said a dozen times now that I'm going solely on the trailer and comparing it to other trailers for movies within the same franchise. Could this change later? Yeah, but at the moment all I have to take away from this is "I'm a woman and I'm black". When you put these next to Luke and Han, two white dudes that actually have a character displayed that's more than the color of their skin and gender in their reveals then yeah it does seem like it's attempting to play demographics.

This is just another blackmark on an overall underwhelming trailer.

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Besides, using him as a jump scare is just absurd.
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That looks pretty good I guess.
Stupid lightsaber, but I'm not going to complain if the antagonist kills himself.


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The actors past roles play no bearing on what they're currently in.
It is now since you're using the race criteria. You literally just said Boyega was solely a token character. He isn't. The diversity amongst the cast is pretty entrenched.
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I could bring up Disney as the producer and point out how they're notorious for tokenism.
Yeah, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Tangled and all those other movies with a predominately white array of characters is really diverse. Tumblr would be proud.
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I never stated that it was some SJW conspiracy.
You highly alluded to it.
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Way to put words in my mouth.
They may not be your exact words but I'm pretty sure I got the gist of your post.
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Good to see that you're actually admitting that this seems a little like tokenism.
Appealing to multiple markets =/= tokenism. Learn the difference.
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Especially since all I'm able to take away from these characters is "I'm a woman and I'm black" while in the OT trailers I could come away with a good feeling for who each of the characters were.
I'm happy for you.
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I've said a dozen times now that I'm going solely on the trailer and comparing it to other trailers for movies within the same franchise.
You've said nothing of the kind. Nice damage control.
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Could this change later? Yeah, but at the moment all I have to take away from this is "I'm a woman and I'm black".
I wouldn't really expect anyone in general to take away anything else considering it's a fucking teaser.
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When you put these next to Luke and Han, two white dudes that actually have a character displayed that's more than the color of their skin and gender in their reveals then yeah it does seem like it's attempting to play demographics.
And that's a bad thing why?

Just admit it. You got called out for thinly veiled racism and now you're damage controlling the fuck out with the "characterization" card. May as well admit it now seeing as how it's your responsibility to moderate that kind of behaviour on this forum, not display it.
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Besides, using him as a jump scare is just absurd.
Literally, Nitpicking: the post.
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TL;DR: You continue to ignore everything I say in order to pursue your racist witch hunt.

Considering that you have no intention in having an honest conversation here I'm done. I seriously can't believe that the person arguing in favor of keeping tokenism in films for demographic pandering lip service is trying to tell the person saying that minorities should be playing actual characters in films instead of being sidelined is racist.


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TL;DR: You continue to ignore everything I say in order to pursue your racist witch hunt.

Considering that you have no intention in having an honest conversation here I'm done. I seriously can't believe that the person arguing in favor of keeping tokenism in films for demographic pandering lip service is trying to tell the person saying that minorities should be playing actual characters in films instead of being sidelined is racist.
Considering I'm arguing with the guy that is extrapolating all these baseless assumptions from an 80 second trailer, yeah probably a good idea.

I'd also love to hear what you thoughts on the characters in Jurassic World too before even seeing the actual film. I didn't like the how Starlord was portrayed in the trailer therefore he's obviously going to be shit in the final product isn't he?
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