are you secondclass?

I’m beginning to think we should ban the Stoner platform just because it’s the go-to for the disenfranchised conservative white male  mass shooter.

I mean... they'll just start buying ruger mini14's instead.

but if they stop using the AR-15 then they're gonna use good murder weapons

You should genuinely consider switching your sources for this kind of information. Almost everything in the OP is heavily speculative or straight up false. I would probably think this thread was satire if I didn't know any better.

4 died
He was a white conservative (he even tried to force a meeting with Trump)
The AR-15 in question was legally acquired

What isn’t factual? What is misleading?

That the AR-15 is the go-to for mass shootings?

Quote from: maverick on April 22, 2018, 08:15:18 PM

You should genuinely consider switching your sources for this kind of information. Almost everything in the OP is heavily speculative or straight up false. I would probably think this thread was satire if I didn't know any better.

4 died
He was a white conservative (he even tried to force a meeting with Trump)
The AR-15 in question was legally acquired

What isn’t factual? What is misleading?

That the AR-15 is the go-to for mass shootings?

We know that he trespassed on restricted White House property because he wanted to see the president. Anything beyond that is speculative. The stunt got his weapons and firearm identification taken away, so not really “legally acquired”.

This whole effort from both sides to characterize every mass shooter as their political opponents is pretty selfish. It’s as bad here as it is when I see people trying to say he’s a converted Muslim and registered Democrat with no basis. It seems like he had some type of schizophrenia, considering his paranoid delusisions.

Also semi automatic handguns still are used more than ARs when it comes to different shootings (although recent, devestating attacks have used an AR).

Ngl saw the news headline as "Naked man attacks Waffle House" and burst out laughing up until I read the details.

Even if he did have "just mental issues" and his guns were taken away from him before (though the BBC states they were handed to his father, and the AR-15 was one of those originally taken from him), why is that ok?

People with mental issues shouldn't have access to firearms until they can prove they're sane enough to use them, it shouldn't be the other way around, i.e. "give them guns and the ones who fuck up get them taken away".

Quote from: Doug on April 23, 2018, 03:34:34 PM

Ngl saw the news headline as "Naked man attacks Waffle House" and burst out laughing up until I read the details.

Even if he did have "just mental issues" and his guns were taken away from him before (though the BBC states they were handed to his father, and the AR-15 was one of those originally taken from him), why is that ok?

People with mental issues shouldn't have access to firearms until they can prove they're sane enough to use them, it shouldn't be the other way around, i.e. "give them guns and the ones who fuck up get them taken away".

I’m pretty sure these issues usually don’t develop until later in life. It appears that he had never actually been diagnosed with anything.

Iirc shit like schizophrenia isn't obvious until the 19-20 range, though that figure is a bit rusty.  Aren't guns sold to people at 18+ in the States or is that just wishful thinking?


If it isn't clarified that the guy stole his gun back from his Dad somehow, then he's also fucked in this scenario.

>GOP manchildren

Only inbreds with brain damage are republican in 2018

not having a red dodge charger doesn't make you less likely to drink and drive

not having a gun doesn't make you less likely to kill people

Fair, but you'll be more likely in such a murder spree to kill a lot less people with an item that ISN'T. DESIGNED. TO KILL THINGS.

(And a far less related, but nontheless interesting fact; you can drink n' drive on a bicycle, and apparently in the UK it's illegal too)

I like how the left thinks abortion, drugs, and prostitution would be more dangerous and happen anyways if they stay illegal but this logic doesn’t apply to guns

the facebook left =/= the left

Quote from: Shhhhhh on April 25, 2018, 10:46:42 AM

Quote from: Mardy Bum on April 25, 2018, 10:20:08 AM

I like how the left thinks abortion, drugs, and prostitution would be more dangerous and happen anyways if they stay illegal but this logic doesn’t apply to guns

the facebook left =/= the left

It's also just a poor comparison. An abortion can be performed anywhere with a metal tool or even just a bunch of pills and herbs. Drugs can be made or grown in your basement with the right knowledge and access to often common ingredients. And prostitution literally doesn't require anything more than just your body.

Guns on the other hand are complex tools that are difficult to make. There's a reason why criminals use glocks, sigs and S&W's that are legally made and distributed. Unlike with drugs or prostitution, there's virtually no underground criminal gun factories making fake, high quality and name brand guns. While criminals do sometimes have makeshift guns, they're unreliable, inaccurate and shit to use. I feel like I've said this a hundred times already but it's the legal market in firearms that directly fuels their illegal trade and criminals getting their hands on them. There's substantial evidence that by limiting the legal access to guns and cleaning up the ones in illegal circulation drives up prices and makes them less available to and used by criminals.

Apples and oranges, pretty much.

You know what
Nevermind

Quote from: Flee on April 25, 2018, 02:55:25 PM

Quote from: Shhhhhh on April 25, 2018, 10:46:42 AM

Quote from: Mardy Bum on April 25, 2018, 10:20:08 AM

I like how the left thinks abortion, drugs, and prostitution would be more dangerous and happen anyways if they stay illegal but this logic doesn’t apply to guns

the facebook left =/= the left

It's also just a poor comparison. An abortion can be performed anywhere with a metal tool or even just a bunch of pills and herbs. Drugs can be made or grown in your basement with the right knowledge and access to often common ingredients. And prostitution literally doesn't require anything more than just your body.

Guns on the other hand are complex tools that are difficult to make. There's a reason why criminals use glocks, sigs and S&W's that are legally made and distributed. Unlike with drugs or prostitution, there's virtually no underground criminal gun factories making fake, high quality and name brand guns. While criminals do sometimes have makeshift guns, they're unreliable, inaccurate and shit to use. I feel like I've said this a hundred times already but it's the legal market in firearms that directly fuels their illegal trade and criminals getting their hands on them. There's substantial evidence that by limiting the legal access to guns and cleaning up the ones in illegal circulation drives up prices and makes them less available to and used by criminals.

Apples and oranges, pretty much.

You know what
Nevermind

poor little boy, knows he's about to get fucked

Quote from: Mardy Bum on April 25, 2018, 03:54:19 PM

Quote from: Flee on April 25, 2018, 02:55:25 PM

Quote from: Shhhhhh on April 25, 2018, 10:46:42 AM

Quote from: Mardy Bum on April 25, 2018, 10:20:08 AM

I like how the left thinks abortion, drugs, and prostitution would be more dangerous and happen anyways if they stay illegal but this logic doesn’t apply to guns

the facebook left =/= the left

It's also just a poor comparison. An abortion can be performed anywhere with a metal tool or even just a bunch of pills and herbs. Drugs can be made or grown in your basement with the right knowledge and access to often common ingredients. And prostitution literally doesn't require anything more than just your body.

Guns on the other hand are complex tools that are difficult to make. There's a reason why criminals use glocks, sigs and S&W's that are legally made and distributed. Unlike with drugs or prostitution, there's virtually no underground criminal gun factories making fake, high quality and name brand guns. While criminals do sometimes have makeshift guns, they're unreliable, inaccurate and shit to use. I feel like I've said this a hundred times already but it's the legal market in firearms that directly fuels their illegal trade and criminals getting their hands on them. There's substantial evidence that by limiting the legal access to guns and cleaning up the ones in illegal circulation drives up prices and makes them less available to and used by criminals.

Apples and oranges, pretty much.

You know what
Nevermind

poor little boy, knows he's about to get fucked

Or rather I don’t feel like getting into a debate that will unboutably devolve into character attacks and dick measuring contest with you involved

unboutably

yeah flee is well known for getting personal in these debates

I was talking about you

But I rather not get caught up in arguing with Flee either