Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 01:26:55 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 01:20:44 AMQuote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 01:09:45 AMFor one, pushing for increase of pay for women's soccer, where women's and men's soccer aren't comparable because of how economics work. neither of them should be paid anything because getting paid to play a sport is a fucking jokeWell regardless of what you think, they get paid for it based on what boils down to supply and demand, and does not equate to equal pay between two separate industries.supply & demand is also a joke, and a very antiquated one at that
Quote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 01:20:44 AMQuote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 01:09:45 AMFor one, pushing for increase of pay for women's soccer, where women's and men's soccer aren't comparable because of how economics work. neither of them should be paid anything because getting paid to play a sport is a fucking jokeWell regardless of what you think, they get paid for it based on what boils down to supply and demand, and does not equate to equal pay between two separate industries.
Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 01:09:45 AMFor one, pushing for increase of pay for women's soccer, where women's and men's soccer aren't comparable because of how economics work. neither of them should be paid anything because getting paid to play a sport is a fucking joke
For one, pushing for increase of pay for women's soccer, where women's and men's soccer aren't comparable because of how economics work.
Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 01:23:20 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:10:50 AMQuote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 01:09:45 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:56:17 AMQuote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:51:31 AMOh yeah such new ideas as #KillAllMen and #MasculinitySoFragile. Feminism has gotten worse, and is mostly used to push in favor of women more than equality, and then they cry sexism if you disagree. If feminists really want to help subjugated women, they should look outside of the US and help those really in need.not all of them have the know-how or wherewithal to do so, and some of them are actively doing thatit's easy to pick on hyperbolic hashtags like #KillAllMen and pretend as though feminists actually want to kill all men, but that that tends to fall right apart when you realize that, "oh, they don't actually want to kill all men, it's just an expression"please give an example of modern feminists trying to push women in society above menFor one, pushing for increase of pay for women's soccer, where women's and men's soccer aren't comparable because of how economics work. The women's team brought in more then 4x the amount of money for the American FA then the Men's team.Not including overall success.But the industry as a whole is less profitable than men's.My point is even in cases where the difference in pay makes no sense it still exists.Lookhttp://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/data-how-does-the-u-s-womens-soccer-team-pay-compare-to-the-men/
Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:10:50 AMQuote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 01:09:45 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:56:17 AMQuote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:51:31 AMOh yeah such new ideas as #KillAllMen and #MasculinitySoFragile. Feminism has gotten worse, and is mostly used to push in favor of women more than equality, and then they cry sexism if you disagree. If feminists really want to help subjugated women, they should look outside of the US and help those really in need.not all of them have the know-how or wherewithal to do so, and some of them are actively doing thatit's easy to pick on hyperbolic hashtags like #KillAllMen and pretend as though feminists actually want to kill all men, but that that tends to fall right apart when you realize that, "oh, they don't actually want to kill all men, it's just an expression"please give an example of modern feminists trying to push women in society above menFor one, pushing for increase of pay for women's soccer, where women's and men's soccer aren't comparable because of how economics work. The women's team brought in more then 4x the amount of money for the American FA then the Men's team.Not including overall success.But the industry as a whole is less profitable than men's.
Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 01:09:45 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:56:17 AMQuote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:51:31 AMOh yeah such new ideas as #KillAllMen and #MasculinitySoFragile. Feminism has gotten worse, and is mostly used to push in favor of women more than equality, and then they cry sexism if you disagree. If feminists really want to help subjugated women, they should look outside of the US and help those really in need.not all of them have the know-how or wherewithal to do so, and some of them are actively doing thatit's easy to pick on hyperbolic hashtags like #KillAllMen and pretend as though feminists actually want to kill all men, but that that tends to fall right apart when you realize that, "oh, they don't actually want to kill all men, it's just an expression"please give an example of modern feminists trying to push women in society above menFor one, pushing for increase of pay for women's soccer, where women's and men's soccer aren't comparable because of how economics work. The women's team brought in more then 4x the amount of money for the American FA then the Men's team.Not including overall success.
Quote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:56:17 AMQuote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:51:31 AMOh yeah such new ideas as #KillAllMen and #MasculinitySoFragile. Feminism has gotten worse, and is mostly used to push in favor of women more than equality, and then they cry sexism if you disagree. If feminists really want to help subjugated women, they should look outside of the US and help those really in need.not all of them have the know-how or wherewithal to do so, and some of them are actively doing thatit's easy to pick on hyperbolic hashtags like #KillAllMen and pretend as though feminists actually want to kill all men, but that that tends to fall right apart when you realize that, "oh, they don't actually want to kill all men, it's just an expression"please give an example of modern feminists trying to push women in society above menFor one, pushing for increase of pay for women's soccer, where women's and men's soccer aren't comparable because of how economics work.
Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:51:31 AMOh yeah such new ideas as #KillAllMen and #MasculinitySoFragile. Feminism has gotten worse, and is mostly used to push in favor of women more than equality, and then they cry sexism if you disagree. If feminists really want to help subjugated women, they should look outside of the US and help those really in need.not all of them have the know-how or wherewithal to do so, and some of them are actively doing thatit's easy to pick on hyperbolic hashtags like #KillAllMen and pretend as though feminists actually want to kill all men, but that that tends to fall right apart when you realize that, "oh, they don't actually want to kill all men, it's just an expression"please give an example of modern feminists trying to push women in society above men
Oh yeah such new ideas as #KillAllMen and #MasculinitySoFragile. Feminism has gotten worse, and is mostly used to push in favor of women more than equality, and then they cry sexism if you disagree. If feminists really want to help subjugated women, they should look outside of the US and help those really in need.
Quote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:21:02 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:16:18 AMQuote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:15:16 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:08:36 AMQuote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:03:33 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:00:51 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:59:05 AMbut yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunkedthere are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it isYet I know people where the case is not that anecdotal and irrelevant. QuoteMy point about the women's national team pay compared to the men's national team pay is a huge issue however no it's notIt actually is, because of all the issues that come with it. Look up an article about it, it's a pretty big deal they don't deserve to be paid more if they get a mere fraction of the tv viewership, which also leads to smaller prize pools. Sports players are entertainers, it's as simple as that, Just like an actor or a singer you get paid based on how much money you can make the people writing the checksIm fairly certain they get larger turn outs and viewers. they dont. Look it up. Also that claim that the women's team made 4x more was proven bogusMatehttp://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/data-how-does-the-u-s-womens-soccer-team-pay-compare-to-the-men/
Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:16:18 AMQuote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:15:16 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:08:36 AMQuote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:03:33 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:00:51 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:59:05 AMbut yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunkedthere are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it isYet I know people where the case is not that anecdotal and irrelevant. QuoteMy point about the women's national team pay compared to the men's national team pay is a huge issue however no it's notIt actually is, because of all the issues that come with it. Look up an article about it, it's a pretty big deal they don't deserve to be paid more if they get a mere fraction of the tv viewership, which also leads to smaller prize pools. Sports players are entertainers, it's as simple as that, Just like an actor or a singer you get paid based on how much money you can make the people writing the checksIm fairly certain they get larger turn outs and viewers. they dont. Look it up. Also that claim that the women's team made 4x more was proven bogus
Quote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:15:16 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:08:36 AMQuote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:03:33 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:00:51 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:59:05 AMbut yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunkedthere are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it isYet I know people where the case is not that anecdotal and irrelevant. QuoteMy point about the women's national team pay compared to the men's national team pay is a huge issue however no it's notIt actually is, because of all the issues that come with it. Look up an article about it, it's a pretty big deal they don't deserve to be paid more if they get a mere fraction of the tv viewership, which also leads to smaller prize pools. Sports players are entertainers, it's as simple as that, Just like an actor or a singer you get paid based on how much money you can make the people writing the checksIm fairly certain they get larger turn outs and viewers.
Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:08:36 AMQuote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:03:33 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:00:51 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:59:05 AMbut yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunkedthere are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it isYet I know people where the case is not that anecdotal and irrelevant. QuoteMy point about the women's national team pay compared to the men's national team pay is a huge issue however no it's notIt actually is, because of all the issues that come with it. Look up an article about it, it's a pretty big deal they don't deserve to be paid more if they get a mere fraction of the tv viewership, which also leads to smaller prize pools. Sports players are entertainers, it's as simple as that, Just like an actor or a singer you get paid based on how much money you can make the people writing the checks
Quote from: Tyger on June 21, 2016, 01:03:33 AMQuote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:00:51 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:59:05 AMbut yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunkedthere are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it isYet I know people where the case is not that anecdotal and irrelevant. QuoteMy point about the women's national team pay compared to the men's national team pay is a huge issue however no it's notIt actually is, because of all the issues that come with it. Look up an article about it, it's a pretty big deal
Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:00:51 AMQuote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:59:05 AMbut yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunkedthere are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it isYet I know people where the case is not that anecdotal and irrelevant. QuoteMy point about the women's national team pay compared to the men's national team pay is a huge issue however no it's not
Quote from: Verbatim on June 21, 2016, 12:59:05 AMbut yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunkedthere are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it isYet I know people where the case is not that
but yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunkedthere are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it is
My point about the women's national team pay compared to the men's national team pay is a huge issue however
...how?
Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 01:31:22 AM...how?that's another subject, but this wouldn't be a bad place to start
*missusi didn't know you were married
sure you canlook at this way--if you're not a feminist, going by its most fundamental definition, that means you believe that women should not have all the same rights as men; that they should be societally lesser than mennow, if that's what you believe, you cannot be an egalitarian--period, because you're not treating all humans as equalsthe thing about egalitarians is that they do believe that women should have all the rights that human beings ought to havewhich is, uh, feministi'm working with fundamental definitions, and you're working with... i don't even know, to be honest
Feminism doesn't end where the rights are equal, neither does the otherif you call yourself one or the other, you are for better or worse for working the benefit of that group"Radical" feminism is still feminism, it's still for the benefit of women for women, and some feminists will tell you thathttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/louise-pennington/radical-feminism_b_3169754.htmlit's in the name, feminism, you are an advocate for the betterment of women in society, whether or not you have "achieved" equality could go beyond that
Tbh feminism as a basis of equality isn't a bad thing at all
