The idea that women should be seen as equals in men in regards of pay and eligibility in certain things, as well as getting rid of roles isn't bad at all. People seem to forget that, breaking down that is legitimately the correct thing to do.

It's what prevlalent "feminists" that have warped the actual idea behind the movement.

Sure I don't agree with everything, that comes with anything, but the general idea is perfectly fine.

I think people need to realize that.

Feminism is cancer

Except women in the US are already equal, and what feminism is today is mostly warped from what it used to be, even though there were men hating feminist back then, too.  You can quote a definition of what feminism is all you want, but just go look and see what it's producing.

Which is why I said the actual idea behind it is a great thing, but what it's become and what the "activists" are spreading around is what turned it into such a garbage thing.

That being said there are still some good feminists out there who even go out and argue and tell people not to support the wrong ideas.

Some feminists try to use it to gain an upper hand rather then be equal. Which is the problem because it goes against the literal idea behind the movement

And I honestly wouldn't say men and women are equal in the US, but it is getting better over time.

the true desire of equality resides in egalitarianism

the same everything for either or neither

Yet the idea isn't to be completely equal, because it's biologically impossible in some cases. The idea is to be equal in as many ways as possible, be it through pay or social views.

For example men and women should never play eachother in competitive sports. But the US Women's national team shouldn't be paid less then their male counterparts, especially when they contribute more revenue. They should also not have to play in turf fields. I've seen some players get some terrible gashes and burns from just playing. Shit like that is where the equality really needs to come into play.

Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:38:39 AM

Except women in the US are already equal, and what feminism is today is mostly warped from what it used to be, even though there were men hating feminist back then, too.  You can quote a definition of what feminism is all you want, but just go look and see what it's producing.

Which is why I said the actual idea behind it is a great thing, but what it's become and what the "activists" are spreading around is what turned it into such a garbage thing.

That being said there are still some good feminists out there who even go out and argue and tell people not to support the wrong ideas.

Some feminists try to use it to gain an upper hand rather then be equal. Which is the problem because it goes against the literal idea behind the movement

And I honestly wouldn't say men and women are equal in the US, but it is getting better over time.

Legally, men and women are equal.  Well, except in court cases where mothers are given better deals in custody cases and much light punishments compared to men.  But I don't hear to many feminists asking for that to be fixed.

If your point is that the girl shouldn't because of that, then you're wrong. It should be the case if the person was male. You respect people because they are people.

Can you think they are trash and a terrible person? Sure.

Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 12:43:21 AM

Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:38:39 AM

Except women in the US are already equal, and what feminism is today is mostly warped from what it used to be, even though there were men hating feminist back then, too.  You can quote a definition of what feminism is all you want, but just go look and see what it's producing.

Which is why I said the actual idea behind it is a great thing, but what it's become and what the "activists" are spreading around is what turned it into such a garbage thing.

That being said there are still some good feminists out there who even go out and argue and tell people not to support the wrong ideas.

Some feminists try to use it to gain an upper hand rather then be equal. Which is the problem because it goes against the literal idea behind the movement

And I honestly wouldn't say men and women are equal in the US, but it is getting better over time.

Legally, men and women are equal.  Well, except in court cases where mothers are given better deals in custody cases and much light punishments compared to men.  But I don't hear to many feminists asking for that to be fixed.

Being seen equal in the eyes of the law means nothing when it isn't universally enforced. If it was, then there wouldn't be such a difference between pay of men and women and identical roles with identical resumes and experience. Even in the same exact company there's a difference.

Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:38:39 AM

Except women in the US are already equal, and what feminism is today is mostly warped from what it used to be, even though there were men hating feminist back then, too.  You can quote a definition of what feminism is all you want, but just go look and see what it's producing.

it hasn't "warped" into anything--the same fundamental basis for feminism is still there; it just has a bunch of newer ideas on top, and whether you like or agree with those ideas is for you to decide

women may have equal rights in the west, but they are still subjugated in a variety of ways, both immediate and pernicious

Oh yeah such new ideas as #KillAllMen and #MasculinitySoFragile.  Feminism has gotten worse, and is mostly used to push in favor of women more than equality, and then they cry sexism if you disagree.  If feminists really want to help subjugated women, they should look outside of the US and help those really in need.

Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:47:06 AM

Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 12:43:21 AM

Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:38:39 AM

Except women in the US are already equal, and what feminism is today is mostly warped from what it used to be, even though there were men hating feminist back then, too.  You can quote a definition of what feminism is all you want, but just go look and see what it's producing.

Which is why I said the actual idea behind it is a great thing, but what it's become and what the "activists" are spreading around is what turned it into such a garbage thing.

That being said there are still some good feminists out there who even go out and argue and tell people not to support the wrong ideas.

Some feminists try to use it to gain an upper hand rather then be equal. Which is the problem because it goes against the literal idea behind the movement

And I honestly wouldn't say men and women are equal in the US, but it is getting better over time.

Legally, men and women are equal.  Well, except in court cases where mothers are given better deals in custody cases and much light punishments compared to men.  But I don't hear to many feminists asking for that to be fixed.

Being seen equal in the eyes of the law means nothing when it isn't universally enforced. If it was, then there wouldn't be such a difference between pay of men and women and identical roles with identical resumes and experience. Even in the same exact company there's a difference.

Holy shit, you actually believe in the "pay gap"?  Men and women don't get paid differently fir the same jobs.  That's illegal.  The actual gap is the average of all men compared to the average of all women, not taking into account career choices and time taken off.

Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 12:49:28 AM

Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:47:06 AM

Quote from: BC on June 21, 2016, 12:43:21 AM

Quote from: Casper on June 21, 2016, 12:38:39 AM

Except women in the US are already equal, and what feminism is today is mostly warped from what it used to be, even though there were men hating feminist back then, too.  You can quote a definition of what feminism is all you want, but just go look and see what it's producing.

Which is why I said the actual idea behind it is a great thing, but what it's become and what the "activists" are spreading around is what turned it into such a garbage thing.

That being said there are still some good feminists out there who even go out and argue and tell people not to support the wrong ideas.

Some feminists try to use it to gain an upper hand rather then be equal. Which is the problem because it goes against the literal idea behind the movement

And I honestly wouldn't say men and women are equal in the US, but it is getting better over time.

Legally, men and women are equal.  Well, except in court cases where mothers are given better deals in custody cases and much light punishments compared to men.  But I don't hear to many feminists asking for that to be fixed.

Being seen equal in the eyes of the law means nothing when it isn't universally enforced. If it was, then there wouldn't be such a difference between pay of men and women and identical roles with identical resumes and experience. Even in the same exact company there's a difference.

Holy shit, you actually believe in the "pay gap"?  Men and women don't get paid differently fir the same jobs.  That's illegal.  The actual gap is the average of all men compared to the average of all women, not taking into account career choices and time taken off.

What's funny is I'm actually comparing people I legitimately know. I don't trust statistics like that, because I understand that there are a lot of factors that go into it.

Same position, same experience, same time at the company, same everything.

$185,000 to $245,000

Neither have kids or married or take vacation.

Is it rampant? No.

But it definitely exists

Anecdotal and highly unlikely

but yeah BC, the wage gap has been thoroughly debunked

there are places of work where women get paid $0.07 less than men--that's verified, and that's a problem, but it's not the huge travesty that a lot of uninformed people believe it is

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Rule #35 states that if there isn't you must make it.

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