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>temeura morrison boba fett
>darth vader screaming no in rotj


I'll pass.

I can understand the "no" thing, but it's grown on me. Why dislike Temeura Morrison though? Makes sense, canonically speaking. Boba Fett is a clone.

Original voice actor was better. More menacing, gravelly. Sort of fit the Man With No Name vibe Boba Fett sort of had going on.

They didn't even have to change the voice. Accents aren't hereditary, contrary to what Lucas seems to think. All in all I just hate Boba Fett being a clone, there's more than one Mandalorian, I don't understand why they had to be so unoriginal.
Meh, I like Morrison's voice better. Besides, the clones in Episode II, III had the accents. Plus, Boba spent 10 years of his life with his father. He already picked up the accent.

Anyway, Jango Fett and Boba  Fett aren't Mandalorians in new canon. Jango was a rouge guy who adopted it's culture and wore the stolen armor, and Boba being a clone doesn't make him a Mandolorian either. As Lucas and Dave Filoni put it, he  thinks it make him more badass to have killed Mandalorians and taken their armor to remind him of his father. Right now the only "true" Mandalorians in canon ( true as in warmongering, other words the pacifists would count) are the Deathwatch



and Sabine Wren.



We're not talking about the new canon. Go back in time, to before episode II was released. The idea of the Mandalorians as a group of warriors with armor, Boba Fett being one of the last, existed in the canon at the time. I get Lucas was trying to cash in on OT nostalgia and toy sales with Jango, but did he have to be basically the same person? Couldn't he have been someone different with mando armor, but have made a passing reference to "some guy, Fett, I used to know. No idea what happened to him".

But no. That's a level of subtlety unknown to Lucas. What, there's more than just Boba Fett that had that armor? Naaaaah if anyone else had it they'd definitely be Boba Fett, or his genetic father. Honestly, I get they were trying to connect the PT and OT but the prequels have so many coincidences in them it's hard to take them seriously.

"Oh you know the bounty hunter who tracked Solo? Yeah he's a clone and the guy he was cloned from was also a renowned bounty hunter who was also cloned to make an entire army."

You see why I hate Boba Fett being a clone? Because it's such a stupid coincidence that it sounds like an eight year old came up with it?
I was just mentioning the Mando thing to inform.

And, Star Wars is a Sci-Fi Space Opera. Of course there's a bunch of stupid coincidences. Like Luke keeping his last name to hide from the Empire, with his family.  Or Leia turning out to be Luke's sister.

And it's not like Boba Fett being a clone detracts from his character. What if Boba went through all the same stuff, but he was his son instead of his clone? Does it matter? No, not really. Plus, it made for some nice interactions with the clone soldiers who looked just like his dead father.

@ 13:19 and such throughout the episode

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You don't need to inform me, I've seen every TCW episode and spent a majority of my adolescent life looking on Wookieepedia. I'm well informed in regards to Star Wars.
How does it being a space opera justify bad writing?

There's always conveniences in Space Operas that wouldn't make sense in the real world. And it's your opinion that it's bad writing. Just as many people enjoy the clone change as there are who dislike it.


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>Implying I was being serious about any of that

I just did it to rustle your jimmies dude.

I'm just going to say what Verbatim said to me awhile back. I hope your computer explodes.
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>temeura morrison boba fett
>darth vader screaming no in rotj


I'll pass.

I can understand the "no" thing, but it's grown on me. Why dislike Temeura Morrison though? Makes sense, canonically speaking. Boba Fett is a clone.

Original voice actor was better. More menacing, gravelly. Sort of fit the Man With No Name vibe Boba Fett sort of had going on.

They didn't even have to change the voice. Accents aren't hereditary, contrary to what Lucas seems to think. All in all I just hate Boba Fett being a clone, there's more than one Mandalorian, I don't understand why they had to be so unoriginal.
Meh, I like Morrison's voice better. Besides, the clones in Episode II, III had the accents. Plus, Boba spent 10 years of his life with his father. He already picked up the accent.

Anyway, Jango Fett and Boba  Fett aren't Mandalorians in new canon. Jango was a rouge guy who adopted it's culture and wore the stolen armor, and Boba being a clone doesn't make him a Mandolorian either. As Lucas and Dave Filoni put it, he  thinks it make him more badass to have killed Mandalorians and taken their armor to remind him of his father. Right now the only "true" Mandalorians in canon ( true as in warmongering, other words the pacifists would count) are the Deathwatch



and Sabine Wren.



We're not talking about the new canon. Go back in time, to before episode II was released. The idea of the Mandalorians as a group of warriors with armor, Boba Fett being one of the last, existed in the canon at the time. I get Lucas was trying to cash in on OT nostalgia and toy sales with Jango, but did he have to be basically the same person? Couldn't he have been someone different with mando armor, but have made a passing reference to "some guy, Fett, I used to know. No idea what happened to him".

But no. That's a level of subtlety unknown to Lucas. What, there's more than just Boba Fett that had that armor? Naaaaah if anyone else had it they'd definitely be Boba Fett, or his genetic father. Honestly, I get they were trying to connect the PT and OT but the prequels have so many coincidences in them it's hard to take them seriously.

"Oh you know the bounty hunter who tracked Solo? Yeah he's a clone and the guy he was cloned from was also a renowned bounty hunter who was also cloned to make an entire army."

You see why I hate Boba Fett being a clone? Because it's such a stupid coincidence that it sounds like an eight year old came up with it?
I was just mentioning the Mando thing to inform.

And, Star Wars is a Sci-Fi Space Opera. Of course there's a bunch of stupid coincidences. Like Luke keeping his last name to hide from the Empire, with his family.  Or Leia turning out to be Luke's sister.

And it's not like Boba Fett being a clone detracts from his character. What if Boba went through all the same stuff, but he was his son instead of his clone? Does it matter? No, not really. Plus, it made for some nice interactions with the clone soldiers who looked just like his dead father.

@ 13:19 and such throughout the episode

YouTube


You don't need to inform me, I've seen every TCW episode and spent a majority of my adolescent life looking on Wookieepedia. I'm well informed in regards to Star Wars.
How does it being a space opera justify bad writing?

There's always conveniences in Space Operas that wouldn't make sense in the real world. And it's your opinion that it's bad writing. Just as many people enjoy the clone change as there are who dislike it.
I dislike it because it throws aspects of Boba Fett's... vibe, I guess out the window and essentially makes him into a new character. The Man With No Name, Clint Eastwood Fett is now gone. You know why we're seeing more of kid Fett? Why we had the arc in TCW? Because they're trying to build up an entirely different character, as the old version can't be salvaged.

Give me other examples of such coincidences for your space opera statement. Outside of Star Wars.

I know I'm being abrasive, rude. And I apologize, for acting in such a way. But the prequels make me angry. Because they're bad. Bland, and outright bad, writing, poor acting (because of terrible direction, the actors wouldn't have been too bad if they had been given something other than utter shit), etc. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars, not the aesthetic, nothing. The Original Trilogy is supreme, and for a good reason.


Something else I've noticed: You're somewhat of a prequel apologist. "Oh, but TCW states that X, so that's been explained". The thing is, the prequels should be able to stand on their own two feet, we shouldn't need clarification provided by TCW. You're not taking into account the fact that TCW came after the fact. The prequels, when looked upon apart from TCW or other works, fall apart.

I actually like TCW, it makes the prequel era slightly tolerable and somewhat like Star Wars. A lot of it is just trying to clean up the mess of the prequels, and helps somewhat clear things up. The fact that it had to do so, however, is a clear indication of the poor quality of the prequel trilogy.

I take it you've never watched the Plinkett reviews?


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You know why we're seeing more of kid Fett? Why we had the arc in TCW? Because they're trying to build up an entirely different character, as the old version can't be salvaged.

Or because fans wanted to see him during that time period? You forget, at the time season 2 came out, the comics were still canon. Boba had tons a backstory to his character already, with or without him being a clone. I don't see the issue here. The only difference now is, TCW is the only source of canon for his character outside the movies, which of course will change as time goes on.

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Give me other examples of such coincidences for your space opera statement. Outside of Star Wars.

Then entirety of "Guardians of the Galaxy" comes to mind.

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I know I'm being abrasive, rude. And I apologize, for acting in such a way. But the prequels make me angry. Because they're bad. Bland, and outright bad, writing, poor acting (because of terrible direction, the actors wouldn't have been too bad if they had been given something other than utter shit), etc. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars, not the aesthetic, nothing. The Original Trilogy is supreme, and for a good reason.

I like the PT as much as the OT. To me it's all Star Wars, and Star Wars is awesome. The PT era has had a lot of good content come out of it, and the OT and ST are starting to get some again with Rebels, Marvel's Star Wars, and most the new books. All of which I'm loving, since the story team is doing such a good job at keeping it all tied together so far.

But Boba Fett's "mystery" just seemed to die when he got all that attention in the EU between TESB and AOTC. I see where your coming from, but as an avid reader of the old EU and such, his character just never even seemed much of a mystery outside the first two films he appeared in. So his character change and them wanting to give him a PT backstory never bothered me.

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Something else I've noticed: You're somewhat of a prequel apologist. "Oh, but TCW states that X, so that's been explained". The thing is, the prequels should be able to stand on their own two feet, we shouldn't need clarification provided by TCW. You're not taking into account the fact that TCW came after the fact. The prequels, when looked upon apart from TCW or other works, fall apart.

No, I'm just someone who loves Star Wars. To me, it's not divided up into  "PT, Clone Wars, OT". It's all one story to me. Again, a reason why I'm loving this new EU.

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I take it you've never watched the Plinkett reviews?

I did. I disagree with most of his points, as he views it from a film and isolated perspective, instead of as a whole story. Also his Plinkett persona doesn't really make the review enjoyable to watch.
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You know why we're seeing more of kid Fett? Why we had the arc in TCW? Because they're trying to build up an entirely different character, as the old version can't be salvaged.

Or because fans wanted to see him during that time period? You forget, at the time season 2 came out, the comics were still canon. Boba had tons a backstory to his character already, with or without him being a clone. I don't see the issue here. The only difference now is, TCW is the only source of canon for his character outside the movies, which of course will change as time goes on.

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Give me other examples of such coincidences for your space opera statement. Outside of Star Wars.

Then entirety of "Guardians of the Galaxy" comes to mind.

Spoiler
I know I'm being abrasive, rude. And I apologize, for acting in such a way. But the prequels make me angry. Because they're bad. Bland, and outright bad, writing, poor acting (because of terrible direction, the actors wouldn't have been too bad if they had been given something other than utter shit), etc. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars, not the aesthetic, nothing. The Original Trilogy is supreme, and for a good reason.

I like the PT as much as the OT. To me it's all Star Wars, and Star Wars is awesome. The PT era has had a lot of good content come out of it, and the OT and ST are starting to get some again with Rebels, Marvel's Star Wars, and most the new books. All of which I'm loving, since the story team is doing such a good job at keeping it all tied together so far.

But Boba Fett's "mystery" just seemed to die when he got all that attention in the EU between TESB and AOTC. I see where your coming from, but as an avid reader of the old EU and such, his character just never even seemed much of a mystery outside the first two films he appeared in. So his character change and them wanting to give him a PT backstory never bothered me.

Something else I've noticed: You're somewhat of a prequel apologist. "Oh, but TCW states that X, so that's been explained". The thing is, the prequels should be able to stand on their own two feet, we shouldn't need clarification provided by TCW. You're not taking into account the fact that TCW came after the fact. The prequels, when looked upon apart from TCW or other works, fall apart.

I actually like TCW, it makes the prequel era slightly tolerable and somewhat like Star Wars. A lot of it is just trying to clean up the mess of the prequels, and helps somewhat clear things up. The fact that it had to do so, however, is a clear indication of the poor quality of the prequel trilogy.

I take it you've never watched the Plinkett reviews?
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Guardians of The Galaxy? I'll have to disagree. The prequels had stupid coincidences, like the Boba Fett thing I mentioned, as in every single character ends up having a direct connection to the OT. GoTG didn't have anything that far fetched.


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he views it from a film and isolated perspective, instead of as a whole story.
... That's the point. They shouldn't have to rely on other works for them to work! EACH MOVIE, EACH TRILOGY, SHOULD WORK ON IT'S OWN.


The original trilogy does! So why can't the prequel trilogy? Because it's BAD.
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You know why we're seeing more of kid Fett? Why we had the arc in TCW? Because they're trying to build up an entirely different character, as the old version can't be salvaged.

Or because fans wanted to see him during that time period? You forget, at the time season 2 came out, the comics were still canon. Boba had tons a backstory to his character already, with or without him being a clone. I don't see the issue here. The only difference now is, TCW is the only source of canon for his character outside the movies, which of course will change as time goes on.

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Give me other examples of such coincidences for your space opera statement. Outside of Star Wars.

Then entirety of "Guardians of the Galaxy" comes to mind.

Spoiler
I know I'm being abrasive, rude. And I apologize, for acting in such a way. But the prequels make me angry. Because they're bad. Bland, and outright bad, writing, poor acting (because of terrible direction, the actors wouldn't have been too bad if they had been given something other than utter shit), etc. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars, not the aesthetic, nothing. The Original Trilogy is supreme, and for a good reason.

I like the PT as much as the OT. To me it's all Star Wars, and Star Wars is awesome. The PT era has had a lot of good content come out of it, and the OT and ST are starting to get some again with Rebels, Marvel's Star Wars, and most the new books. All of which I'm loving, since the story team is doing such a good job at keeping it all tied together so far.

But Boba Fett's "mystery" just seemed to die when he got all that attention in the EU between TESB and AOTC. I see where your coming from, but as an avid reader of the old EU and such, his character just never even seemed much of a mystery outside the first two films he appeared in. So his character change and them wanting to give him a PT backstory never bothered me.

Something else I've noticed: You're somewhat of a prequel apologist. "Oh, but TCW states that X, so that's been explained". The thing is, the prequels should be able to stand on their own two feet, we shouldn't need clarification provided by TCW. You're not taking into account the fact that TCW came after the fact. The prequels, when looked upon apart from TCW or other works, fall apart.

I actually like TCW, it makes the prequel era slightly tolerable and somewhat like Star Wars. A lot of it is just trying to clean up the mess of the prequels, and helps somewhat clear things up. The fact that it had to do so, however, is a clear indication of the poor quality of the prequel trilogy.

I take it you've never watched the Plinkett reviews?

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Guardians of The Galaxy? I'll have to disagree. The prequels had stupid coincidences, like the Boba Fett thing I mentioned, as in every single character ends up having a direct connection to the OT. GoTG didn't have anything that far fetched.

I fixed the formatting of that post BTW. Meh, again, it's Star Wars.

No worse than this:
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or this:
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or this:
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or this:
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or Anakin building C-3P0


My point being, it's just what Star Wars does. I bet you if the PT came out first, the characters in the OT would have similar convenient connections to characters.
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... That's the point. They shouldn't have to rely on other works for them to work! EACH MOVIE, EACH TRILOGY, SHOULD WORK ON IT'S OWN.


The original trilogy does! So why can't the prequel trilogy? Because it's BAD.

It's All Star Wars. And the movies seem to stand on their own to me, without the help of The Clone Wars show. But to you it doesn't, in which case I have to say: It's called the Star Wars Saga for a reason. It's meant to be watched all together.


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You know why we're seeing more of kid Fett? Why we had the arc in TCW? Because they're trying to build up an entirely different character, as the old version can't be salvaged.

Or because fans wanted to see him during that time period? You forget, at the time season 2 came out, the comics were still canon. Boba had tons a backstory to his character already, with or without him being a clone. I don't see the issue here. The only difference now is, TCW is the only source of canon for his character outside the movies, which of course will change as time goes on.

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Give me other examples of such coincidences for your space opera statement. Outside of Star Wars.

Then entirety of "Guardians of the Galaxy" comes to mind.

Spoiler
I know I'm being abrasive, rude. And I apologize, for acting in such a way. But the prequels make me angry. Because they're bad. Bland, and outright bad, writing, poor acting (because of terrible direction, the actors wouldn't have been too bad if they had been given something other than utter shit), etc. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars, not the aesthetic, nothing. The Original Trilogy is supreme, and for a good reason.

I like the PT as much as the OT. To me it's all Star Wars, and Star Wars is awesome. The PT era has had a lot of good content come out of it, and the OT and ST are starting to get some again with Rebels, Marvel's Star Wars, and most the new books. All of which I'm loving, since the story team is doing such a good job at keeping it all tied together so far.

But Boba Fett's "mystery" just seemed to die when he got all that attention in the EU between TESB and AOTC. I see where your coming from, but as an avid reader of the old EU and such, his character just never even seemed much of a mystery outside the first two films he appeared in. So his character change and them wanting to give him a PT backstory never bothered me.

Something else I've noticed: You're somewhat of a prequel apologist. "Oh, but TCW states that X, so that's been explained". The thing is, the prequels should be able to stand on their own two feet, we shouldn't need clarification provided by TCW. You're not taking into account the fact that TCW came after the fact. The prequels, when looked upon apart from TCW or other works, fall apart.

I actually like TCW, it makes the prequel era slightly tolerable and somewhat like Star Wars. A lot of it is just trying to clean up the mess of the prequels, and helps somewhat clear things up. The fact that it had to do so, however, is a clear indication of the poor quality of the prequel trilogy.

I take it you've never watched the Plinkett reviews?

Guardians of The Galaxy? I'll have to disagree. The prequels had stupid coincidences, like the Boba Fett thing I mentioned, as in every single character ends up having a direct connection to the OT. GoTG didn't have anything that far fetched.

I fixed the formatting of that post BTW. Meh, again, it's Star Wars.

No worse than this:
YouTube


or this:
YouTube


or this:
YouTube


or this:
YouTube


or Anakin building C-3P0


My point being, it's just what Star Wars does. I bet you if the PT came out first, the characters in the OT would have similar convenient connections to characters.
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The point I was trying to make was that there are a bunch of stupid coincidences, like Anakin building C-3P0. Boba Fett's origin is but one of those many silly coincidences. They're all bad.

If the PT came out first... yes... because it would be the same and only change in release order. I do not see what point you're trying to make.


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he views it from a film and isolated perspective, instead of as a whole story.
... That's the point. They shouldn't have to rely on other works for them to work! EACH MOVIE, EACH TRILOGY, SHOULD WORK ON IT'S OWN.


The original trilogy does! So why can't the prequel trilogy? Because it's BAD.

It's All Star Wars. And the movies seem to stand on their own to me, without the help of The Clone Wars show. But to you it doesn't, in which case I have to say: It's called the Star Wars Saga for a reason. It's meant to be watched all together.

That doesn't excuse the bad writing, or the plot holes, etc. I know what you're trying to say, but there's a difference between working better connected with the overall story, and being a flat-out nonsensical and stupid story. I feel like you should really watch the Plinkett reviews again, because he points out multiple flaws in basic plot of the film.


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You know why we're seeing more of kid Fett? Why we had the arc in TCW? Because they're trying to build up an entirely different character, as the old version can't be salvaged.

Or because fans wanted to see him during that time period? You forget, at the time season 2 came out, the comics were still canon. Boba had tons a backstory to his character already, with or without him being a clone. I don't see the issue here. The only difference now is, TCW is the only source of canon for his character outside the movies, which of course will change as time goes on.

Quote
Give me other examples of such coincidences for your space opera statement. Outside of Star Wars.

Then entirety of "Guardians of the Galaxy" comes to mind.

Spoiler
I know I'm being abrasive, rude. And I apologize, for acting in such a way. But the prequels make me angry. Because they're bad. Bland, and outright bad, writing, poor acting (because of terrible direction, the actors wouldn't have been too bad if they had been given something other than utter shit), etc. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars, not the aesthetic, nothing. The Original Trilogy is supreme, and for a good reason.

I like the PT as much as the OT. To me it's all Star Wars, and Star Wars is awesome. The PT era has had a lot of good content come out of it, and the OT and ST are starting to get some again with Rebels, Marvel's Star Wars, and most the new books. All of which I'm loving, since the story team is doing such a good job at keeping it all tied together so far.

But Boba Fett's "mystery" just seemed to die when he got all that attention in the EU between TESB and AOTC. I see where your coming from, but as an avid reader of the old EU and such, his character just never even seemed much of a mystery outside the first two films he appeared in. So his character change and them wanting to give him a PT backstory never bothered me.

Something else I've noticed: You're somewhat of a prequel apologist. "Oh, but TCW states that X, so that's been explained". The thing is, the prequels should be able to stand on their own two feet, we shouldn't need clarification provided by TCW. You're not taking into account the fact that TCW came after the fact. The prequels, when looked upon apart from TCW or other works, fall apart.

I actually like TCW, it makes the prequel era slightly tolerable and somewhat like Star Wars. A lot of it is just trying to clean up the mess of the prequels, and helps somewhat clear things up. The fact that it had to do so, however, is a clear indication of the poor quality of the prequel trilogy.

I take it you've never watched the Plinkett reviews?

Guardians of The Galaxy? I'll have to disagree. The prequels had stupid coincidences, like the Boba Fett thing I mentioned, as in every single character ends up having a direct connection to the OT. GoTG didn't have anything that far fetched.

I fixed the formatting of that post BTW. Meh, again, it's Star Wars.

No worse than this:
YouTube


or this:
YouTube


or this:
YouTube


or this:
YouTube


or Anakin building C-3P0


My point being, it's just what Star Wars does. I bet you if the PT came out first, the characters in the OT would have similar convenient connections to characters.

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The point I was trying to make was that there are a bunch of stupid coincidences, like Anakin building C-3P0. Boba Fett's origin is but one of those many silly coincidences. They're all bad.

If the PT came out first... yes... because it would be the same and only change in release order. I do not see what point you're trying to make.

Fine. Instead of me trying to explain how it's no big deal, tell me why it is. Why is it so terrible that 3P0 is built buy a main character of the series? Why is it so terrible that Boba interacts with characters of the PT? It doesn't hurt anything to the story. It gives a back story to those who watch the movies and want a backstory on some characters. Especially when certain characters like Boba Fett, that fans have been craving for a back story on. And then when the creator writes  avery Sci-Fi way in  a Space Opera? Why is that such a bad thing? Especially for a prequel to a trilogy that was famous for following a close nit group of characters, both good and bad?

It's not bad writing, as people that I've shown the Saga to that have never seen it don't have any issue with it, and even found it interesting. So, is it because it didn't meet your standards after 20+ years since the movie came out? Or because it didn't exactly match what you thought it would be based off some comic book? If so, you're holding someone to some ridiculously high standards. It just sounds like you're someone who still hasn't gotten over the fact that a new Star Wars movie came out 16 years ago.


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... That's the point. They shouldn't have to rely on other works for them to work! EACH MOVIE, EACH TRILOGY, SHOULD WORK ON IT'S OWN.


The original trilogy does! So why can't the prequel trilogy? Because it's BAD.

It's All Star Wars. And the movies seem to stand on their own to me, without the help of The Clone Wars show. But to you it doesn't, in which case I have to say: It's called the Star Wars Saga for a reason. It's meant to be watched all together.

That doesn't excuse the bad writing, or the plot holes, etc. I know what you're trying to say, but there's a difference between working better connected with the overall story, and being a flat-out nonsensical and stupid story. I feel like you should really watch the Plinkett reviews again, because he points out multiple flaws in basic plot of the film.

I've watched those reviews quite enough, thank you. As I've said, I disagree with most of what he says.

This thread basically summarizes my opinions on those: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/red-letter-media-and-other-prequel-reviews.32077440/

And plot holes? Like what?


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You know why we're seeing more of kid Fett? Why we had the arc in TCW? Because they're trying to build up an entirely different character, as the old version can't be salvaged.

Or because fans wanted to see him during that time period? You forget, at the time season 2 came out, the comics were still canon. Boba had tons a backstory to his character already, with or without him being a clone. I don't see the issue here. The only difference now is, TCW is the only source of canon for his character outside the movies, which of course will change as time goes on.

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Give me other examples of such coincidences for your space opera statement. Outside of Star Wars.

Then entirety of "Guardians of the Galaxy" comes to mind.

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I know I'm being abrasive, rude. And I apologize, for acting in such a way. But the prequels make me angry. Because they're bad. Bland, and outright bad, writing, poor acting (because of terrible direction, the actors wouldn't have been too bad if they had been given something other than utter shit), etc. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars, not the aesthetic, nothing. The Original Trilogy is supreme, and for a good reason.

I like the PT as much as the OT. To me it's all Star Wars, and Star Wars is awesome. The PT era has had a lot of good content come out of it, and the OT and ST are starting to get some again with Rebels, Marvel's Star Wars, and most the new books. All of which I'm loving, since the story team is doing such a good job at keeping it all tied together so far.

But Boba Fett's "mystery" just seemed to die when he got all that attention in the EU between TESB and AOTC. I see where your coming from, but as an avid reader of the old EU and such, his character just never even seemed much of a mystery outside the first two films he appeared in. So his character change and them wanting to give him a PT backstory never bothered me.

Something else I've noticed: You're somewhat of a prequel apologist. "Oh, but TCW states that X, so that's been explained". The thing is, the prequels should be able to stand on their own two feet, we shouldn't need clarification provided by TCW. You're not taking into account the fact that TCW came after the fact. The prequels, when looked upon apart from TCW or other works, fall apart.

I actually like TCW, it makes the prequel era slightly tolerable and somewhat like Star Wars. A lot of it is just trying to clean up the mess of the prequels, and helps somewhat clear things up. The fact that it had to do so, however, is a clear indication of the poor quality of the prequel trilogy.

I take it you've never watched the Plinkett reviews?

Guardians of The Galaxy? I'll have to disagree. The prequels had stupid coincidences, like the Boba Fett thing I mentioned, as in every single character ends up having a direct connection to the OT. GoTG didn't have anything that far fetched.

I fixed the formatting of that post BTW. Meh, again, it's Star Wars.

No worse than this:
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or this:
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or this:
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or this:
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or Anakin building C-3P0


My point being, it's just what Star Wars does. I bet you if the PT came out first, the characters in the OT would have similar convenient connections to characters.

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The point I was trying to make was that there are a bunch of stupid coincidences, like Anakin building C-3P0. Boba Fett's origin is but one of those many silly coincidences. They're all bad.

If the PT came out first... yes... because it would be the same and only change in release order. I do not see what point you're trying to make.

Fine. Instead of me trying to explain how it's no big deal, tell me why it is. Why is it so terrible that 3P0 is built buy a main character of the series? Why is it so terrible that Boba interacts with characters of the PT? It doesn't hurt anything to the story. It gives a back story to those who watch the movies and want a backstory on some characters. Especially when certain characters like Boba Fett, that fans have been craving for a back story on. And then when the creator writes  avery Sci-Fi way in  a Space Opera? Why is that such a bad thing? Especially for a prequel to a trilogy that was famous for following a close nit group of characters, both good and bad?

It's not bad writing, as people that I've shown the Saga to that have never seen it don't have any issue with it, and even found it interesting. So, is it because it didn't meet your standards after 20+ years since the movie came out? Or because it didn't exactly match what you thought it would be based off some comic book? If so, you're holding someone to some ridiculously high standards. It just sounds like you're someone who still hasn't gotten over the fact that a new Star Wars movie came out 16 years ago.


All I can say is, watch the Plinkett reviews again, and actually pay attention to the points he's making. I don't like the Plinkett persona either but he makes excellent points. Honestly his actual commentary is pretty funny. Just watch them with an open mind, don't go into it with a defensive attitude.

You could watch all three reviews before I could list everything out in text.


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he views it from a film and isolated perspective, instead of as a whole story.
... That's the point. They shouldn't have to rely on other works for them to work! EACH MOVIE, EACH TRILOGY, SHOULD WORK ON IT'S OWN.


The original trilogy does! So why can't the prequel trilogy? Because it's BAD.

It's All Star Wars. And the movies seem to stand on their own to me, without the help of The Clone Wars show. But to you it doesn't, in which case I have to say: It's called the Star Wars Saga for a reason. It's meant to be watched all together.

That doesn't excuse the bad writing, or the plot holes, etc. I know what you're trying to say, but there's a difference between working better connected with the overall story, and being a flat-out nonsensical and stupid story. I feel like you should really watch the Plinkett reviews again, because he points out multiple flaws in basic plot of the film.

I've watched those reviews quite enough, thank you. As I've said, I disagree with most of what he says.

This thread basically summarizes my opinions on those: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/red-letter-media-and-other-prequel-reviews.32077440/

And plot holes? Like what?
I like how the they claim "fallacious" arguments but never say exactly what they are.


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You know why we're seeing more of kid Fett? Why we had the arc in TCW? Because they're trying to build up an entirely different character, as the old version can't be salvaged.

Or because fans wanted to see him during that time period? You forget, at the time season 2 came out, the comics were still canon. Boba had tons a backstory to his character already, with or without him being a clone. I don't see the issue here. The only difference now is, TCW is the only source of canon for his character outside the movies, which of course will change as time goes on.

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Give me other examples of such coincidences for your space opera statement. Outside of Star Wars.

Then entirety of "Guardians of the Galaxy" comes to mind.

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I know I'm being abrasive, rude. And I apologize, for acting in such a way. But the prequels make me angry. Because they're bad. Bland, and outright bad, writing, poor acting (because of terrible direction, the actors wouldn't have been too bad if they had been given something other than utter shit), etc. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars, not the aesthetic, nothing. The Original Trilogy is supreme, and for a good reason.

I like the PT as much as the OT. To me it's all Star Wars, and Star Wars is awesome. The PT era has had a lot of good content come out of it, and the OT and ST are starting to get some again with Rebels, Marvel's Star Wars, and most the new books. All of which I'm loving, since the story team is doing such a good job at keeping it all tied together so far.

But Boba Fett's "mystery" just seemed to die when he got all that attention in the EU between TESB and AOTC. I see where your coming from, but as an avid reader of the old EU and such, his character just never even seemed much of a mystery outside the first two films he appeared in. So his character change and them wanting to give him a PT backstory never bothered me.

Something else I've noticed: You're somewhat of a prequel apologist. "Oh, but TCW states that X, so that's been explained". The thing is, the prequels should be able to stand on their own two feet, we shouldn't need clarification provided by TCW. You're not taking into account the fact that TCW came after the fact. The prequels, when looked upon apart from TCW or other works, fall apart.

I actually like TCW, it makes the prequel era slightly tolerable and somewhat like Star Wars. A lot of it is just trying to clean up the mess of the prequels, and helps somewhat clear things up. The fact that it had to do so, however, is a clear indication of the poor quality of the prequel trilogy.

I take it you've never watched the Plinkett reviews?

Guardians of The Galaxy? I'll have to disagree. The prequels had stupid coincidences, like the Boba Fett thing I mentioned, as in every single character ends up having a direct connection to the OT. GoTG didn't have anything that far fetched.

I fixed the formatting of that post BTW. Meh, again, it's Star Wars.

No worse than this:
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or this:
YouTube


or this:
YouTube


or this:
YouTube


or Anakin building C-3P0


My point being, it's just what Star Wars does. I bet you if the PT came out first, the characters in the OT would have similar convenient connections to characters.

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The point I was trying to make was that there are a bunch of stupid coincidences, like Anakin building C-3P0. Boba Fett's origin is but one of those many silly coincidences. They're all bad.

If the PT came out first... yes... because it would be the same and only change in release order. I do not see what point you're trying to make.

Fine. Instead of me trying to explain how it's no big deal, tell me why it is. Why is it so terrible that 3P0 is built buy a main character of the series? Why is it so terrible that Boba interacts with characters of the PT? It doesn't hurt anything to the story. It gives a back story to those who watch the movies and want a backstory on some characters. Especially when certain characters like Boba Fett, that fans have been craving for a back story on. And then when the creator writes  avery Sci-Fi way in  a Space Opera? Why is that such a bad thing? Especially for a prequel to a trilogy that was famous for following a close nit group of characters, both good and bad?

It's not bad writing, as people that I've shown the Saga to that have never seen it don't have any issue with it, and even found it interesting. So, is it because it didn't meet your standards after 20+ years since the movie came out? Or because it didn't exactly match what you thought it would be based off some comic book? If so, you're holding someone to some ridiculously high standards. It just sounds like you're someone who still hasn't gotten over the fact that a new Star Wars movie came out 16 years ago.


All I can say is, watch the Plinkett reviews again, and actually pay attention to the points he's making. I don't like the Plinkett persona either but he makes excellent points. Honestly his actual commentary is pretty funny. Just watch them with an open mind, don't go into it with a defensive attitude.

You could watch all three reviews before I could list everything out in text.

I've watched them with an open mind the first 10 or so times I saw them. I disagree. Again, so this argument doesn't drag o too much, this thread can summarize a lot of my views on what he is saying in them. You can read through it before I finish even 1 review.http://boards.theforce.net/threads/red-letter-media-and-other-prequel-reviews.32077440/


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he views it from a film and isolated perspective, instead of as a whole story.
... That's the point. They shouldn't have to rely on other works for them to work! EACH MOVIE, EACH TRILOGY, SHOULD WORK ON IT'S OWN.


The original trilogy does! So why can't the prequel trilogy? Because it's BAD.

It's All Star Wars. And the movies seem to stand on their own to me, without the help of The Clone Wars show. But to you it doesn't, in which case I have to say: It's called the Star Wars Saga for a reason. It's meant to be watched all together.

That doesn't excuse the bad writing, or the plot holes, etc. I know what you're trying to say, but there's a difference between working better connected with the overall story, and being a flat-out nonsensical and stupid story. I feel like you should really watch the Plinkett reviews again, because he points out multiple flaws in basic plot of the film.

I've watched those reviews quite enough, thank you. As I've said, I disagree with most of what he says.

This thread basically summarizes my opinions on those: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/red-letter-media-and-other-prequel-reviews.32077440/

And plot holes? Like what?
I like how the they claim "fallacious" arguments but never say exactly what they are.


There's multiple pages for a reason.


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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.


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I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.


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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.


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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.



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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.



Oh. This again.


I'm sorry but I don't care about the claims of a bunch of overly sensitive manchildren. I got about eight pages in, but all I saw was overreactions. The prequels have bad dialogue, wooden acting, and feel sterile/lifeless because of the overuse of CGI.


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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.



Oh. This again.


I'm sorry but I don't care about the claims of a bunch of overly sensitive manchildren. I got about eight pages in, but all I saw was overreactions. The prequels have bad dialogue, wooden acting, and feel sterile/lifeless because of the overuse of CGI.

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Watch Mr. Plinkett's reviews of the Star Wars prequels.  Sums up the ShiTrilogy very well.


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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.



Oh. This again.


I'm sorry but I don't care about the claims of a bunch of overly sensitive manchildren. I got about eight pages in, but all I saw was overreactions. The prequels have bad dialogue, wooden acting, and feel sterile/lifeless because of the overuse of CGI.

YouTube


Watch Mr. Plinkett's reviews of the Star Wars prequels.  Sums up the ShiTrilogy very well.

I'm arguing that the plinkett reviews are good. The thread he's saying to check out is filled with a bunch of people bitching about the reviews.
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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.



Oh. This again.


I'm sorry but I don't care about the claims of a bunch of overly sensitive manchildren. I got about eight pages in, but all I saw was overreactions. The prequels have bad dialogue, wooden acting, and feel sterile/lifeless because of the overuse of CGI.

YouTube


Watch Mr. Plinkett's reviews of the Star Wars prequels.  Sums up the ShiTrilogy very well.

I'm arguing that the plinkett reviews are good. The thread he's saying to check out is filled with a bunch of people bitching about the reviews.

Wait really?

I pulled a tl;dr on this thread lol.


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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.



Oh. This again.


I'm sorry but I don't care about the claims of a bunch of overly sensitive manchildren. I got about eight pages in, but all I saw was overreactions. The prequels have bad dialogue, wooden acting, and feel sterile/lifeless because of the overuse of CGI.

YouTube


Watch Mr. Plinkett's reviews of the Star Wars prequels.  Sums up the ShiTrilogy very well.

I'm arguing that the plinkett reviews are good. The thread he's saying to check out is filled with a bunch of people bitching about the reviews.

Wait really?

I pulled a tl;dr on this thread lol.

Yeah lol, Tackelberry disagrees with them. I don't know why, they make excellent points.
THe thread he linked on TF.net is filled with people drastically overreacting. There's even a guy there who says (in all caps) that the Plinkett reviews are "PROPOGANDA".


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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.



Oh. This again.


I'm sorry but I don't care about the claims of a bunch of overly sensitive manchildren. I got about eight pages in, but all I saw was overreactions. The prequels have bad dialogue, wooden acting, and feel sterile/lifeless because of the overuse of CGI.

YouTube


Watch Mr. Plinkett's reviews of the Star Wars prequels.  Sums up the ShiTrilogy very well.

I'm arguing that the plinkett reviews are good. The thread he's saying to check out is filled with a bunch of people bitching about the reviews.

Wait really?

I pulled a tl;dr on this thread lol.

Yeah lol, Tackelberry disagrees with them. I don't know why, they make excellent points.
THe thread he linked on TF.net is filled with people drastically overreacting. There's even a guy there who says (in all caps) that the Plinkett reviews are "PROPOGANDA".

I don't see how you could disagree with RLM.  Mr. Plinkett made valid points and pointed out that Lucas became the machine he was initially fighting against at the expense of good movie-making.


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Oh my fucking God, I'm actually getting autism from reading the replies on that forum.

EXPLOSION....IMMINENT....


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Whatever. The prequels don't feel like Star Wars. I'm done.

I suggest you read through that thread when you get the time.

I did. They seemed to be getting angry at the fact that he was stating his opinion, to the point that they ignored valid criticisms. Half of them sounded ready to perform fellatio on Lucas. Having had previous knowledge of how much TheForce.net can be a bunch of sensitive babies it doesn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the guy is awesome or flawless, or that his reviews are either, but they seemed to be ignoring some of his valid criticisms out of outrage.



Oh. This again.


I'm sorry but I don't care about the claims of a bunch of overly sensitive manchildren. I got about eight pages in, but all I saw was overreactions. The prequels have bad dialogue, wooden acting, and feel sterile/lifeless because of the overuse of CGI.

YouTube


Watch Mr. Plinkett's reviews of the Star Wars prequels.  Sums up the ShiTrilogy very well.

I'm arguing that the plinkett reviews are good. The thread he's saying to check out is filled with a bunch of people bitching about the reviews.

Wait really?

I pulled a tl;dr on this thread lol.

Yeah lol, Tackelberry disagrees with them. I don't know why, they make excellent points.
THe thread he linked on TF.net is filled with people drastically overreacting. There's even a guy there who says (in all caps) that the Plinkett reviews are "PROPOGANDA".

I don't see how you could disagree with RLM.  Mr. Plinkett made valid points and pointed out that Lucas became the machine he was initially fighting against at the expense of good movie-making.

Exactly.


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Oh my fucking God, I'm actually getting autism from reading the replies on that forum.

EXPLOSION....IMMINENT....
It's horrifying, isn't it?
All you need to know about TF.Net is that on the front page of the literature forum, there's a thread made by one of the mods called "The Diversity Manifesto"...

I think that explains the forum nicely.