I could be wrong though and they could have intentionally wrote her to be retardedly perfect to appease SJWs and "muh stronk womyn" without any care to write a truly compelling character without anime levels of obnoxious plot armor.
QuoteI could be wrong though and they could have intentionally wrote her to be retardedly perfect to appease SJWs and "muh stronk womyn" without any care to write a truly compelling character without anime levels of obnoxious plot armor.You put Muhammad Ali to shame with that reach of yours
Her unfersher powers was a bit early. Luke had to go on training. She just intuitively knew how to do shit. Either she is a Jedi of exceptional power, or her character suffers from lazy writing.
I mean, she wasn't THAT bad, but her miraculous escape was kind of like... yeah, okay, why is this random ass broad suddenly a master of force persuasion?
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 08, 2016, 01:06:41 AMHer unfersher powers was a bit early. Luke had to go on training. She just intuitively knew how to do shit. Either she is a Jedi of exceptional power, or her character suffers from lazy writing.The latter, unfortunately. The movie is rife with lazy, shitty writing, plot holes, bad pacing, etc
Yeah, she is pretty Mary Sue, but Luke was Gary Stue as fuck in the OT so I fail to see why it's a problem. Especially since Anakin wasn't a Gary Stue and look how much he was loved in the Prequels....
Luke had to go on training. She just intuitively knew how to do shit.
Luke was Gary Stue as fuck in the OT so I fail to see why it's a problem.
And Anikin not being a Gary Stu does not exempt him from being poorly written.
I agree, I never said he was exempt. Also I liked the comment on Shit Art Online. And let's look at Luke's accomplishments in comparison. He's the best pilot for the Alliance despite having never flown an X-Wing into battle before. He can use the Force after just learning of it that day to blow up the Death Star. Even though he lost to Vader, he proved a point to Yoda and Ben that was capable of handling fighting a Sith on his own. He comes back in Return of The Jedi with all this new skill and power without ever showing us how he got to that point. He needed fuck all training after his duel with Vader and he somehow is able to stand perfectly toe to toe with him. A flaw isn't really a flaw for a Gary Stue if it's shown in a positive light and every flaw with luke turned out to be a good thing in the end. Quote from: ChaosMetalDragon on April 08, 2016, 10:20:57 AMAnd Anikin not being a Gary Stu does not exempt him from being poorly written.
He's the best pilot for the Alliance
He can use the Force after just learning of it that day to blow up the Death Star.
Even though he lost to Vader, he proved a point to Yoda and Ben that was capable of handling fighting a Sith on his own.
He comes back in Return of The Jedi with all this new skill and power without ever showing us how he got to that point.
He needed fuck all training after his duel with Vader and he somehow is able to stand perfectly toe to toe with him.
every flaw with luke turned out to be a good thing in the end.
I like Rey a lot and don't consider her to be a Mary Sue.Also, can the term "Gary Stu" die? Men can be Mary Sues too.
None of the movies ever say this.
When is it ever established that this is an implausible feat for a jedi?
But he lost.....
So? Can't you just use your imagination?
What?
How?
They imply it by the fact that he was the only one capable of weathering the trench run.
All the training they had to go through as a Padawan just to use the force on a decent level, even Anakin needed training, what makes his son so special?
And survived, Yoda and Ben were practically assuming he was gonna he sent to the emperor. They didn't trust Luke to somehow escape.
OP wants me to reference the books, but the fact of the matter is for his argument is that you shouldn't have to use external source material outside the story to understand it. As with your argument, what the Hell am I paying this movie ticket for if they aren't going to imagine for me?
He barely escapes his first duel with Vader, the biggest threat in the Galaxy next to the Emperor, and he derps away for a year and suddenly he's Vader's equal in VI?
The only flaw I can think of is rushing in to fight Vader in V, but it turned out it was a good thing story wise since he saved almost all of his friends, learned the truth of his family, and proved he was stronger than both Ben/Yoda and Vader thought he was.
Star Wars VII Is Rey a Mary Sue
