You have to wonder whether or not Harrison Ford made JJ kill Han off, or if it was part of the plan the entire time.

I mean, I understand the obvious parallel drawn between Han and Obi-Wan from ANH (both are father-figures for the main character, who see them both get cut down by the main antagonist with their own eyes), but it just strikes me as a bit rushed.

I guess the only way we'd know for sure is if Harrison makes an appearance in flashbacks or maybe the Boba Fett movie that's coming.

Ford didn't want it. It sounds like they're very very roughly following EU with some characters, so you'd think that if Ford was okay with doing more, he wouldn't die immediately upon return. I mean, it's possible that was the plan all along, but it sounds very unlikely.

;-;

That's kind of a shitty thing for Ford to do, to be honest.

The man can do what he wants, we always have EU books for good stories if we want them.

Quote from: Ganon on December 20, 2015, 05:43:47 PM

You have to wonder whether or not Harrison Ford made JJ kill Han off, or if it was part of the plan the entire time.

I mean, I understand the obvious parallel drawn between Han and Obi-Wan from ANH (both are father-figures for the main character, who see them both get cut down by the main antagonist with their own eyes), but it just strikes me as a bit rushed.

I guess the only way we'd know for sure is if Harrison makes an appearance in flashbacks or maybe the Boba Fett movie that's coming.

Ford didn't want it. It sounds like they're very very roughly following EU with some characters, so you'd think that if Ford was okay with doing more, he wouldn't die immediately upon return. I mean, it's possible that was the plan all along, but it sounds very unlikely.

The saddest part is that he will never share screen time with Luke again...and when Luke was mentioned he seemed angry at first. "Yeah, I knew him..."

Quote from: Essessen on December 20, 2015, 05:46:59 PM

Quote from: Ganon on December 20, 2015, 05:43:47 PM

You have to wonder whether or not Harrison Ford made JJ kill Han off, or if it was part of the plan the entire time.

I mean, I understand the obvious parallel drawn between Han and Obi-Wan from ANH (both are father-figures for the main character, who see them both get cut down by the main antagonist with their own eyes), but it just strikes me as a bit rushed.

I guess the only way we'd know for sure is if Harrison makes an appearance in flashbacks or maybe the Boba Fett movie that's coming.

Ford didn't want it. It sounds like they're very very roughly following EU with some characters, so you'd think that if Ford was okay with doing more, he wouldn't die immediately upon return. I mean, it's possible that was the plan all along, but it sounds very unlikely.

The saddest part is that he will never share screen time with Luke again...and when Luke was mentioned he seemed angry at first. "Yeah, I knew him..."

I didn't get the feeling he was angry, just disappointed at everything that happened.

Quote from: Essessen on December 20, 2015, 05:46:59 PM

Quote from: Ganon on December 20, 2015, 05:43:47 PM

You have to wonder whether or not Harrison Ford made JJ kill Han off, or if it was part of the plan the entire time.

I mean, I understand the obvious parallel drawn between Han and Obi-Wan from ANH (both are father-figures for the main character, who see them both get cut down by the main antagonist with their own eyes), but it just strikes me as a bit rushed.

I guess the only way we'd know for sure is if Harrison makes an appearance in flashbacks or maybe the Boba Fett movie that's coming.

Ford didn't want it. It sounds like they're very very roughly following EU with some characters, so you'd think that if Ford was okay with doing more, he wouldn't die immediately upon return. I mean, it's possible that was the plan all along, but it sounds very unlikely.

Harrison Ford has wanted Han Solo to die since like Episode 4 or 5.

Ford wanted Han to die because he thought it would add some real emotional punch to the climax of the trilogy, and didn't see a way for Solo to be written in future installments.

Though he changed his tune after 2010 on Solo, and when talking about Solo in VII he said he was interesting because of the time that had passed.

Though I think as much as it sucks, Solo had to die. Because Ren can't complete his turn to the Dark Side if he's conflicted about his father, so killing him was the only way. Solo's death was vital to Kylo Ren's story arc, and Solo died trying to redeem his son.

It wasn't flashy, it wasn't epic, but he died doing the right thing.

I must admit, when Finn first activated the Lightsaber, it felt... powerful.

Ford wanted Han to die because he thought it would add some real emotional punch to the climax of the trilogy, and didn't see a way for Solo to be written in future installments.

Han should've died in RotJ, yes. But he didn't, and here we are were.

Though I think as much as it sucks, Solo had to die. Because Ren can't complete his turn to the Dark Side if he's conflicted about his father, so killing him was the only way. Solo's death was vital to Kylo Ren's story arc, and Solo died trying to redeem his son.

Sure, he had to die eventually. But it felt rushed the way they did it. Han should've been given more screen time or something, I don't know. It felt way too quick for me.

Man, RoTJ would've been so much stronger had Han died...

As one of the main characters in the biggest franchise of all time, you have an obligation to your fans to follow through on what the director thinks is the best plan for the universe. They're the ones that made you a shit ton of money. They're the ones that cherish you. You owe it to them.

Because you don't feel like making another movie (whilst getting paid more money than some people make in their life) is not proper justification to change JJ's plans.

Ford owes nothing to Abrams

Quote from: Jolly Rocket on December 20, 2015, 06:01:20 PM

Ford wanted Han to die because he thought it would add some real emotional punch to the climax of the trilogy, and didn't see a way for Solo to be written in future installments.

Han should've died in RotJ, yes. But he didn't, and here we are were.

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Though I think as much as it sucks, Solo had to die. Because Ren can't complete his turn to the Dark Side if he's conflicted about his father, so killing him was the only way. Solo's death was vital to Kylo Ren's story arc, and Solo died trying to redeem his son.

Sure, he had to die eventually. But it felt rushed the way they did it. Han should've been given more screen time or something, I don't know. It felt way too quick for me.

Yeah.... I personally wish he didn't die. Like you said, he didn't die in ROTJ and plenty has changed, perhaps his death wasn't needed now.

Not sure about the rushed aspect, but he could have died way differently. Chewie died in the book "Vector Prime" by saving one of Han's kids then being left by the Falcon so it could escape. He let out a roar and beat his chest as the moon crashed into Sernpidal.

I dunno, something epic like that.

Ford owes nothing to Abrams

Are you going to say anything of relevance in this entire conversation?

He doesn't owe the director anything. He owes the fans everything.

I mean, all of this is irrelevant if JJ had decided to kill Han in Ep. 7 from the get-go. But I just don't feel like that was the plan.

Was it not? Didn't Ford state he wanted to die in the movie?