Also, can we talk about the music for a moment? And how crappy it was?

The trailers had way more badass music than the movie. Nothing new felt any good here.

The music was great to me. Didn't have that super epic trailer music vibe, but it had the sound of the Original Trilogy.

And he's given to the fans.

"I don't want to do anymore Star Wars movies, make sure I die in the next one."

"But Harrison, that goes against everything we've plann-"

"I. Want. To die."

I mean, you can mindlessly speculate and assume all you want, it'll get you no answers.

Okay? You act like I don't already know that.

So, I wanted to know how Poe got off Jakku.

And how Maz came across Luke's saber, but it is an interesting story, for another time... "I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain." Except it would ruin the pacing of the movie if she did. Maybe a short story or comic down the line.

And to that point, just because a character wants to die, it doesn't mean they're sick of their role.

IF J.J. and his team of writers decided that Han needed to stay alive, and that that was the best decision for the future of Star Wars, then Ford needs to suck it up and do the movies no matter what he thinks. He's an actor, not a writer.

I never commented on why Harrison wanted Han to die, because it doesn't have any relevance to the point I'm trying to make. Stop assuming shit.

You ever consider some characters are more powerful because of HOW they die?

NOPE. I'VE NEVER ONCE CONSIDERED THIS. IT'S A COMPLETELY ALIEN CONCEPT TO ME.

DEATH... HAS MEANING?! WHO KNEW?!

I seriously fucking hate your condescending rhetorical questions.

Stop looking at it so black and white and making Ford out to be some money grubbing evil guy.

I did the exact opposite of that, actually. I implied he didn't care about the money.

I love arguing about imaginary situations

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Quote from: Ganon on December 20, 2015, 06:08:16 PM

I mean, all of this is irrelevant if JJ had decided to kill Han in Ep. 7 from the get-go. But I just don't feel like that was the plan.

Was it not? Didn't Ford state he wanted to die in the movie?

Yeah he did, but that doesn't mean JJ had planned to have Harrison die anyways. He could've shown him the script and Ford was like "Nah, I wanna die."

If that's the case, he's a cunt. If the script was unaltered, then I have no qualms with anyone. I'll just choose to criticise Abrams for the handling of his death.

It's hard to say. JJ Abrams was writing this movie for a while and Han Solo is obviously vital to the plot. He's in almost all of the movie. So without Harrison Ford they wouldn't have even had the script they wrote.

So whatever they planned on doing with Han Solo, well they needed Harrison Ford.

shut the fuck up i'll fucking kill you both

NO THANK YOU.

When characters die, they need to stay dead.

han solo force ghost possess a han solo clone's body, yes.

NO THANK YOU.

When characters die, they need to stay dead.

Well I don't mean bring them back to life in some stupid way. But instead have him survive while everyone thinks he is dead, and he be taken prisoner somewhere or something. I dunno.

Luke fell from a similar height at Bespin when his hand was cut off. It's not entirely out of left field for Han to have survived.

I still want him to remain dead, though.

Quote from: Jolly Rocket on December 20, 2015, 06:37:56 PM

I think we are throwing out the possibility of Han Solo surviving. That would be a shocker right there.

Think Han Solo finally got killed off like Ford wanted in the past? JUST KIDDING HE'S FUCKING BACK BITCHES.

Boba surviving already toes the line of unbelievable so Han getting stabbed by a lightsaber then falling many, many, many, many, many stories onto whatever he fell on AND THEN having the planet he's on go boom!?
That crosses the line and then some.

Purely hypothetical here.

But stranger things have happened. Luke fell into what seemed like an abyss, lands perfectly into a garbage tube, slides down, then lands on an antennae while missing an arm?

and this is assuming Han isn't on the planet when it goes boom obviously. He was taken in a ship, blah blah blah, something.