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>TOS
>Better than Enterprise

People are finally waking up and realizing Kirk wasn't that great of a captain in comparison but we still have purists....

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TNG>TOS>Enterpise>DS9>Voyager

Quote from: Raven on August 16, 2016, 10:55:07 PM

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TNG>TOS>Enterpise>DS9>Voyager

>TOS
>Better than Enterprise

People are finally waking up and realizing Kirk wasn't that great of a captain in comparison but we still have purists...

The quality of a series does not lie in the captain alone.

TOS was just really freaking good; just because it has more obscure concepts doesn't make it bad.

Spock and Bones had great chemistry but the rest of the cast really wasn't all that great.

The quality of a series does not lie in the captain alone.

TOS was just really freaking good; just because it has more obscure concepts doesn't make it bad.

Spock and Bones had great chemistry but the rest of the cast really wasn't all that great.

Quote from: Raven on August 16, 2016, 11:02:00 PM

The quality of a series does not lie in the captain alone.

TOS was just really freaking good; just because it has more obscure concepts doesn't make it bad.

Uhura was meh, but Scotty, Sulu, and Chekhov were all really good characters that were interesting if you paid close enough attention to them.

>TOS
>Better than Enterprise

People are finally waking up and realizing Kirk wasn't that great of a captain in comparison but we still have purists....

Quote from: Raven on August 16, 2016, 10:55:07 PM

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TNG>TOS>Enterpise>DS9>Voyager

When was Kirk ever a good captain? It seems like every episode he was loosing people and then there's his stupidity in the Khan movie. All he needed to do was raise his ships shields and the movie would have ended right then and there.   

Quote from: Ian on August 16, 2016, 10:56:47 PM

>TOS
>Better than Enterprise

People are finally waking up and realizing Kirk wasn't that great of a captain in comparison but we still have purists....

Quote from: Raven on August 16, 2016, 10:55:07 PM

lolno

TNG>TOS>Enterpise>DS9>Voyager

When was Kirk ever a good captain? It seems like every episode he was loosing people and then there's his stupidity in the Khan movie. All he needed to do was raise his ships shields and the movie would have ended right then and there.   

Least he managed to not end up dead every 32 seconds unlike Janeway

Quote from: Ian on August 16, 2016, 10:56:47 PM

>TOS
>Better than Enterprise

People are finally waking up and realizing Kirk wasn't that great of a captain in comparison but we still have purists....

Quote from: Raven on August 16, 2016, 10:55:07 PM

lolno

TNG>TOS>Enterpise>DS9>Voyager

When was Kirk ever a good captain? It seems like every episode he was loosing people and then there's his stupidity in the Khan movie. All he needed to do was raise his ships shields and the movie would have ended right then and there.   

The worst part is it was standard protocol to raise shields anytime an encroaching ship fails to respond to hails.

Kirk was often a moron for the sake of being a moron.

I don't get the hate for Voyager. I mean, the characters were kind of bland but a good majority of the episodes were solid.

Kirk in Star Trek Beyond immediately raises shields and goes to red alert as soon as hailing the bees failed.

Except that was never done in any Trek show or movie to date.

You're thinking of Into Darkness, Beyond is the most recent one.

When the Vengeance first shows up? Khan just finished telling them about how Marcus was coming to kill them all and take him back. In TWoK, Kirk had no clue something had gone wrong except a jammed transmission from the space station, which could be caused by any number of reasons. In the shows and movies, raising shields is universally seen as an aggressive action.

tbh I like all of them, even Enterprise. I actually liked Enterprise's theme, because I'm a piece of shit.

Voyager is good shit, and tried hard to not be TNG 2.0, which is where it gets most of its hate. DS9 is safe and kind of boring to me, but it's all about characters and drama, which was a good focus for the series. TOS is classic and was revolutionary at the time, without feeling like tokenism.

Quote from: Raven on August 17, 2016, 04:41:32 AM

When was Kirk ever a good captain? It seems like every episode he was loosing people and then there's his stupidity in the Khan movie. All he needed to do was raise his ships shields and the movie would have ended right then and there.   

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The worst part is it was standard protocol to raise shields anytime an encroaching ship fails to respond to hails.

Except that was never done in any Trek show or movie to date. They were at a Federation space station being protected by a Federation ship whose leadership Kirk new personally. And then the obvious response is that it was it was a necessary plot device, and they could have written it however they needed to.

Failure to respond to repeated hails is grounds to exercise extreme caution, if not to consider the ship hostile.

The Federation has contingencies for this stuff you know, that's not the first time a ship has been hijacked.

The whole point of that, and many other exchanges in the film is Kirk ignores protocol. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

They also didn't have to have Khan challenge Kirk in that way, considering Kirk was going to pick up Chekhov later anyway, and could've received the threat from Khan on the station.

In fact, if Khan had attacked a ship without a Captain it would have been an even more apt demonstration of his tactical prowess, and then Khan could blow up the asteroid and have his moment of triumph.

But of course Kirk would thwart him somehow.

There was no reason for him to be stupid, they just wanted to make Kirk look like a rebel and Khan look like a seriously bad dude.

Oh and blow up the Enterprise, gotta do that in every Star trek movie.