Quote from: SecondClass on April 13, 2016, 03:55:44 PMQuote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:40:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 10:34:44 AM"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?This isn't a really Christian idea, kind of a general theist thing I guess? Not even a wise notion.If life doesn't have an externally defined purpose, you can choose one, or none. Life or death becomes a matter of taste and desire. There's no more reason to kill yourself than not to kill yourself. But then, if you don't believe in God, why would you even bow to something like reason? Fuck reason, do what you like.T.ChristfagThis doesn't make any sense. Creatures can still feel pleasure and pain, regardless of a deity's existence. That inherently necessitates morality.Here we are at the is/ought problem again.It is ridiculous to claim that one thing inherently necessitates another when you cannot demonstrate it.A creature's ability to suffer has no bearing on whether or not it should do so. I have an Xbox, but the simple fact that I have the Xbox doesn't necessarily mean I should or shouldn't play it.
Quote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:40:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 10:34:44 AM"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?This isn't a really Christian idea, kind of a general theist thing I guess? Not even a wise notion.If life doesn't have an externally defined purpose, you can choose one, or none. Life or death becomes a matter of taste and desire. There's no more reason to kill yourself than not to kill yourself. But then, if you don't believe in God, why would you even bow to something like reason? Fuck reason, do what you like.T.ChristfagThis doesn't make any sense. Creatures can still feel pleasure and pain, regardless of a deity's existence. That inherently necessitates morality.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 10:34:44 AM"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?This isn't a really Christian idea, kind of a general theist thing I guess? Not even a wise notion.If life doesn't have an externally defined purpose, you can choose one, or none. Life or death becomes a matter of taste and desire. There's no more reason to kill yourself than not to kill yourself. But then, if you don't believe in God, why would you even bow to something like reason? Fuck reason, do what you like.T.Christfag
"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?
Quote from: SecondClass on April 14, 2016, 02:48:00 AMQuote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 14, 2016, 01:14:06 AMQuote from: SecondClass on April 13, 2016, 03:55:44 PMQuote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:40:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 10:34:44 AM"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?This isn't a really Christian idea, kind of a general theist thing I guess? Not even a wise notion.If life doesn't have an externally defined purpose, you can choose one, or none. Life or death becomes a matter of taste and desire. There's no more reason to kill yourself than not to kill yourself. But then, if you don't believe in God, why would you even bow to something like reason? Fuck reason, do what you like.T.ChristfagThis doesn't make any sense. Creatures can still feel pleasure and pain, regardless of a deity's existence. That inherently necessitates morality.Here we are at the is/ought problem again.It is ridiculous to claim that one thing inherently necessitates another when you cannot demonstrate it.A creature's ability to suffer has no bearing on whether or not it should do so. I have an Xbox, but the simple fact that I have the Xbox doesn't necessarily mean I should or shouldn't play it.Pain is inherently negative. In and of itself, the human body has a highly adverse reaction to pain. That's the is. The ought connects to that as clear as day. We ought to avoid pain, since it's an inherently terrible feeling.Kind of a shaky connection, but more importantly, pain is not inherently negative. You're slapping a human category on something prehuman. Pain is an adaptation that tells your brain "I need to stop doing what I'm doing/eating/leave this place, so I don't get killed". It's why animals run from predators. Attaching our manufactured descriptors to it is somewhat arrogant at best.Further, there are other things we consider negative. What about sexual frustration? Our biological urge to fuck is just as, if not more, important than our instinct to avoid painful things. Is getting laid a human right? Should we, as a society, strive to make sure everyone gets their fair share of tail?
Quote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 14, 2016, 01:14:06 AMQuote from: SecondClass on April 13, 2016, 03:55:44 PMQuote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:40:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 10:34:44 AM"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?This isn't a really Christian idea, kind of a general theist thing I guess? Not even a wise notion.If life doesn't have an externally defined purpose, you can choose one, or none. Life or death becomes a matter of taste and desire. There's no more reason to kill yourself than not to kill yourself. But then, if you don't believe in God, why would you even bow to something like reason? Fuck reason, do what you like.T.ChristfagThis doesn't make any sense. Creatures can still feel pleasure and pain, regardless of a deity's existence. That inherently necessitates morality.Here we are at the is/ought problem again.It is ridiculous to claim that one thing inherently necessitates another when you cannot demonstrate it.A creature's ability to suffer has no bearing on whether or not it should do so. I have an Xbox, but the simple fact that I have the Xbox doesn't necessarily mean I should or shouldn't play it.Pain is inherently negative. In and of itself, the human body has a highly adverse reaction to pain. That's the is. The ought connects to that as clear as day. We ought to avoid pain, since it's an inherently terrible feeling.
Pain is an adaptation that tells your brain "I need to stop doing what I'm doing/eating/leave this place, so I don't get killed".
Further, there are other things we consider negative. What about sexual frustration? Our biological urge to fuck is just as, if not more, important than our instinct to avoid painful things.
Quote from: Hargbeast on April 15, 2016, 01:39:23 AMDid Door get banned or something? This seems like bait meant for him.I am Door
Did Door get banned or something? This seems like bait meant for him.
Something in the Christian mindset that bugs me
