Something in the Christian mindset that bugs me

MyNameIsCharlie · April 13, 2016, 10:34:44 AM

"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"

I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?

Elegiac · April 13, 2016, 10:44:40 AM

The universe is purely decorative.

Ian · April 13, 2016, 10:54:51 AM

>Charlie
>Christian

yeah, and I'm a SJW.

Ender · April 13, 2016, 10:55:11 AM

Dietrich Six · April 13, 2016, 11:10:13 AM

Life without purpose can be difficult, but it's not immediately kill yourself worthy.

DAS B00T x2 · April 13, 2016, 11:20:00 AM

Because I like being alive?

MyNameIsCharlie · April 13, 2016, 11:21:56 AM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 13, 2016, 11:10:13 AM

Life without purpose can be difficult, but it's not immediately kill yourself worthy.

There's purpose and externally derived purpose. Living for your children is purpose. Living because God values you is externally derived.

The statement in my OP is saying that the external purpose is all that matters. People who say it believe that God, and God alone gives purpose.

Aether · April 13, 2016, 11:25:05 AM

The ego craves, and so does it live and experience to seek that which is craves. Whether it be love, happiness, success, wealth, praise, or even the pain and suffering of others.

There is no inherent meaning in any of that, however. Any meaning doesn't form until after the ego beings craving and seeking, living and experiencing, and as such, any meaning is relative.

DAS B00T x2 · April 13, 2016, 11:28:05 AM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 13, 2016, 11:10:13 AM

Life without purpose can be difficult, but it's not immediately kill yourself worthy.

But it's not. Camus is a faggot.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · April 13, 2016, 11:40:17 AM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · April 13, 2016, 11:42:47 AM

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Dietrich Six · April 13, 2016, 11:43:47 AM

Quote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:42:47 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 11:21:56 AM
Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 13, 2016, 11:10:13 AM
Life without purpose can be difficult, but it's not immediately kill yourself worthy.

There's purpose and externally derived purpose. Living for your children is purpose. Living because God values you is externally derived.

The statement in my OP is saying that the external purpose is all that matters. People who say it believe that God, and God alone gives purpose.
If there is a God, by nature of being the highest of the high, his purpose trumps all.

If there is no God, there is no objective purpose. But if there is no God, then man, the Unique, becomes the god of himself, and may choose whatever purposes and goals he wants.

You're a spook 👻

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · April 13, 2016, 11:45:16 AM

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Dietrich Six · April 13, 2016, 11:45:47 AM

Quote from: dassengerB on April 13, 2016, 11:28:05 AM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 13, 2016, 11:10:13 AM
Life without purpose can be difficult, but it's not immediately kill yourself worthy.
But it's not. Camus is a faggot.

I often think about what I'm doing here and what good I'm doing. I have no purpose outside of living for myself and making those I care about happy.

There's no real motivation to keep living, but also no reason to stop, I just am.

Dietrich Six · April 13, 2016, 11:48:55 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 11:21:56 AM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 13, 2016, 11:10:13 AM
Life without purpose can be difficult, but it's not immediately kill yourself worthy.

There's purpose and externally derived purpose. Living for your children is purpose. Living because God values you is externally derived.

The statement in my OP is saying that the external purpose is all that matters. People who say it believe that God, and God alone gives purpose.

Every purpose is externally derived, in a vacuum you may not care a thing about your children. Society has taught you that caring for your children is a good thing.

I'm not saying you wouldn't either way, but there's no real way for you to know.

snee0rp · April 13, 2016, 12:14:46 PM

Second to God, I value reason.

If the reasonable course of action is to minimize suffering, and life is more suffering than pleasure, then it would only be logical for me to kill myself.

April 13, 2016, 03:55:44 PM

Quote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 10:34:44 AM
"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"

I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?
This isn't a really Christian idea, kind of a general theist thing I guess? Not even a wise notion.

If life doesn't have an externally defined purpose, you can choose one, or none. Life or death becomes a matter of taste and desire. There's no more reason to kill yourself than not to kill yourself.

But then, if you don't believe in God, why would you even bow to something like reason? Fuck reason, do what you like.

T.Christfag

This doesn't make any sense. Creatures can still feel pleasure and pain, regardless of a deity's existence. That inherently necessitates morality.

N/A · April 13, 2016, 04:03:23 PM

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Ian · April 13, 2016, 04:08:32 PM

You can copy files to another computer, just like how you can teach someone something you experienced. If someone learned a negative experience, they can pass their knowledge onto others so they don't have to experience it.

When someone dies, their hopes and wishes remain. They get passed on as information and can change the thoughts of others that were around them. Granted, over time your original self will vary drastically compared to what you'd be viewed as afterwards through this process, but in this sense, no one is truly "dead".

This is some deep shit right here.

Quote from: zenengerX on April 13, 2016, 04:03:23 PM

Well, I still feed myself bs all the time to keep me from offing myself. Like I said before, our actions occur due to the fact that we are able to recall and think about the experiences. Without sapience to recall the experiences, the experiences are worthless. Life being finite make life worthless, showing that there really is no difference between blowing your brains out this moment or waiting to die at 80. No one gets any use saving files to a computer that breaks down a year later, losing everything on it. Why would you expect a consciousness to be worthwhile then?

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Ian · April 13, 2016, 04:32:51 PM

Well yeah, that's why I said the world's view of you will be drastically different than what you originally were. But if you were to apply this to just one person (like say, your son/daughter) the results would probably not be as severe, as they would be able to possibly take first hand experience from what you pass on and they can apply their own experiences to reinforce what you originally passed on.

Quote from: zenengerX on April 13, 2016, 04:27:31 PM

2Buddhist4me

I've never really liked that whole reincarnation through the transmission of thought. Especially considering that your thought process will not transmit fully from one person to the next. Really, by like three generations, what you transmitted to another person will be completely different than the original.

Turkey · April 13, 2016, 05:04:09 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on April 13, 2016, 03:55:44 PM

Quote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:40:17 AM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on April 13, 2016, 10:34:44 AM
"if you didn't have a purpose, if life didn't have a purpose, then what stops you from killing yourself?"

I don't get this statement. I mean, I get it, but I don't get the mindset it comes from. Is an externally defined value to your life tge sole reason you don't jump off a cliff?
This isn't a really Christian idea, kind of a general theist thing I guess? Not even a wise notion.

If life doesn't have an externally defined purpose, you can choose one, or none. Life or death becomes a matter of taste and desire. There's no more reason to kill yourself than not to kill yourself.

But then, if you don't believe in God, why would you even bow to something like reason? Fuck reason, do what you like.

T.Christfag
This doesn't make any sense. Creatures can still feel pleasure and pain, regardless of a deity's existence. That inherently necessitates morality.

Only if morality is based on pleasure, which is arbitrary.

Ingy · April 13, 2016, 05:36:53 PM

When they say things like this, they mean that since the motivation for what we do doesn't come from god, our actions are meaningless

Which is a terrible argument

gats · April 13, 2016, 05:38:06 PM

christfags get out

Ian · April 13, 2016, 05:39:49 PM

Deus Vult

Quote from: goootsbyX on April 13, 2016, 05:38:06 PM

christfags get out

gats · April 13, 2016, 05:42:12 PM

Quote from: Ian on April 13, 2016, 05:39:49 PM

Deus Vult

Quote from: goootsbyX on April 13, 2016, 05:38:06 PM
christfags get out

Allahu Akbar

RomanGladiator · April 13, 2016, 09:04:53 PM

If I do, I'd never find out if Luke actually says anything in episode VIII.

Luciana · April 13, 2016, 09:24:53 PM

what a horribly dogmatic and asinine viewpoint

as if what you find drives you and things you enjoy is nearly the same as anothers

just because someone may be in the mindset that life doesn't really have a purpose, doesn't necessarily mean they're so depressed to the point they wanna kill themselves

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · April 14, 2016, 01:14:06 AM

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