So is Jared Leto's Joker actually going to be Jason Todd?

Turkey · July 20, 2015, 06:35:11 PM

tl;dr if you're not familiar with Batman:

There are several different 'Robins' under Batman's tutelage: Dick Grayson, who leaves and becomes Nightwing in some arcs. The next one is Jason Todd, who was famously beaten to death by the Joker in several iterations, namely the comic Death in the Family, Batman: Under the Red Hood, and though it was Tim Drake instead of Jason Todd, it happens again in Batman Beyond.

The point is that there's a running theme of the Joker brutally murdering Robin, who then later reappears as a psychologically broken villain in some form or another. We know that Suicide Squad will be in the DC cinematic universe, meaning that canonically Suicide Squad happens either before or concurrently with Batman vs. Superman. In the DoJ trailer we see Robin's suit covered in taunts from the Joker, and similar other messages. It would also help explain why this Joker looks less like other iterations of the Joker and more like some psycho trying to imitate the persona. And it's also a motivation for Bruce to retire as Batman...maybe he even killed the previous Joker (another recurring theme).

I have no idea how the relationship between Harley and the Joker would be explained, but it seems like the Joker is an antagonist in the film, potentially working against the Suicide Squad rather than with them. Anyway, it's probably not true, but it's fun to imagine the possibilities.

Risay117 · July 20, 2015, 06:37:58 PM

The concept of Joker working against the squad could be quite nice. To make the whole Suicide Squad plan go out of control. Create chaos and well sweep the rug from under those in control.

But other than that, not sure if Robin will have any place in this story.

Mordo · July 20, 2015, 06:38:34 PM

I really fucking hope not. Would seriously come off as an ebin plot twist of M.Night Shyamalamadingdong proportions.

When I see a movie advertising one of my favourite villains of all time, I fully expect the actual villain to make an appearance, not be sidelined or reincarnated as a discount store knock off.

It would pretty much be Iron Man 3 all over again, except worse.

Deleted · July 20, 2015, 06:44:44 PM

I heard the theory. It would be cool but I highly doubt it.

TB · July 20, 2015, 06:45:34 PM

i really don't want that to happen.

DAS B00T x2 · July 20, 2015, 06:49:09 PM

That would be kinda neat.

Kitsune 狐 · July 20, 2015, 07:04:58 PM

Spoiler

I can't wait for dragoncon my fiancé and I are cosplaying as Joker and Harley Quinn

Spoiler

Jet Wave · July 20, 2015, 07:15:52 PM

That won't make the tattoos less stupid.

Elai · July 20, 2015, 07:26:46 PM

Please be true.

Ingy · July 20, 2015, 07:28:54 PM

lol no

Deesbee · July 20, 2015, 08:50:57 PM

Jason Todd was not beaten to death he was beaten before dying but he also got blown up which is the cause of death. It would make no sense for Todd to be the Joker it makes sense in no part of DC's lore. The closest we saw was the son of the Joker like stated in the OP and even then it was shown that robin never became the joker. The most we will get is a Joker toxin'd Jason that fights as an alias such as the Red Hood against the squad.

Turkey · July 20, 2015, 09:07:03 PM

Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 08:50:57 PM

Jason Todd was not beaten to death he was beaten before dying but he also got blown up which is the cause of death. It would make no sense for Todd to be the Joker it makes sense in no part of DC's lore.

It makes quite a bit of sense since the central theme of Batman's comics is a hero's descent into villainy; classically, Joker, Harley, Dent, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy (and many other minor villains) were all normal people that were victims of tragedies that turned them insane. Just because it hasn't been done in the comics before doesn't mean it can't happen (and the fact that it hasn't been done like this is all the more reason to do so).

Deesbee · July 20, 2015, 09:09:27 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 20, 2015, 09:07:03 PM

Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 08:50:57 PM
Jason Todd was not beaten to death he was beaten before dying but he also got blown up which is the cause of death. It would make no sense for Todd to be the Joker it makes sense in no part of DC's lore.

It makes quite a bit of sense since the central theme of Batman's comics is a hero's descent into villainy; classically, Joker, Harley, Dent, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy (and many other minor villains) were all normal people that were victims of tragedies that turned them insane. Just because it hasn't been done in the comics before doesn't mean it can't happen (and the fact that it hasn't been done like this is all the more reason to do so).

It makes no sense in the lore and would be a bad shoehorned twist that would make people cringe more than make them go "ohhhhhh". Just because it can happen, doesn't mean it should.

Turkey · July 20, 2015, 09:11:39 PM

Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 09:09:27 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 20, 2015, 09:07:03 PM
Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 08:50:57 PM
Jason Todd was not beaten to death he was beaten before dying but he also got blown up which is the cause of death. It would make no sense for Todd to be the Joker it makes sense in no part of DC's lore.

It makes quite a bit of sense since the central theme of Batman's comics is a hero's descent into villainy; classically, Joker, Harley, Dent, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy (and many other minor villains) were all normal people that were victims of tragedies that turned them insane. Just because it hasn't been done in the comics before doesn't mean it can't happen (and the fact that it hasn't been done like this is all the more reason to do so).
It makes no sense in the lore

So are we just disregarding my post?

Is that what we're doing here?

Because it works with the "lore", not that any of the comic book plots have any impact on the movie's story.

Deesbee · July 20, 2015, 09:18:06 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 20, 2015, 09:11:39 PM

Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 09:09:27 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 20, 2015, 09:07:03 PM
Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 08:50:57 PM
Jason Todd was not beaten to death he was beaten before dying but he also got blown up which is the cause of death. It would make no sense for Todd to be the Joker it makes sense in no part of DC's lore.

It makes quite a bit of sense since the central theme of Batman's comics is a hero's descent into villainy; classically, Joker, Harley, Dent, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy (and many other minor villains) were all normal people that were victims of tragedies that turned them insane. Just because it hasn't been done in the comics before doesn't mean it can't happen (and the fact that it hasn't been done like this is all the more reason to do so).
It makes no sense in the lore

So are we just disregarding my post?

Is that what we're doing here?

Because it works with the "lore", not that any of the comic book plots have any impact on the movie's story.

There has never been anything even close to having Jason Todd even being hinted at as being the Joker in any DC storyline ever.

Turkey · July 20, 2015, 09:19:51 PM

Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 09:18:06 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 20, 2015, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 09:09:27 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 20, 2015, 09:07:03 PM
Quote from: Mr Whiteflame on July 20, 2015, 08:50:57 PM
Jason Todd was not beaten to death he was beaten before dying but he also got blown up which is the cause of death. It would make no sense for Todd to be the Joker it makes sense in no part of DC's lore.

It makes quite a bit of sense since the central theme of Batman's comics is a hero's descent into villainy; classically, Joker, Harley, Dent, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy (and many other minor villains) were all normal people that were victims of tragedies that turned them insane. Just because it hasn't been done in the comics before doesn't mean it can't happen (and the fact that it hasn't been done like this is all the more reason to do so).
It makes no sense in the lore

So are we just disregarding my post?

Is that what we're doing here?

Because it works with the "lore", not that any of the comic book plots have any impact on the movie's story.
There has never been anything even close to having Jason Todd even being hinted at as being the Joker in any DC storyline ever.

I'm wondering why you think that's relevant. In no DC storyline did Catwoman and Batman stop Bane from nuking Gotham, faking their deaths and retiring in Italy, but it still happened.