with the exception of RotJ (which is, funnily enough, the one everyone likes the least in the OT).

I like it

The thing that confuses me is how C3PO wa supposed to help Shmi

Verb actualy likes Attack of the Clones, oh...oh god...

This is why I fucking hate Star Wars fans.

Yes, I liked AotC. It was the worst of the prequels, but it was still an enjoyable film.

He showed legitimate emotion only at the end of the film. Quite honestly the only other emotion I can remember him exhibiting is moderate surprise at Anakin's power level.

So what's your point? He's a bad character because he doesn't show much emotion? Why does every character in a movie have to be a rainbow of fucking emotions? It's his cool and collected demeanor that makes me like him so much. I hate the stupid fucking "bubbly yet naive sidekick" trope. It's done to death and TPM managed to avert it entirely. That's a GOOD thing.

Just because the plot of the movie makes an action trivial doesn't mean it is nitpicking at the time it happens. Going down to the planet split up? Why? What? That literally doesn't reduce your chances of being caught unless it was a very specific location in the ship that couldn't fit both of you, which wasn't the case. This is supposed to be the character we trust to be wise? The only reason any of the obvious possibilities don't happen is Lucas writing it.

Who exactly said that Qui-Gon is supposed to be particularly wise? Because he wears a robe, has a beard and long hair, and speaks calmly and cordially? There's literally no reason to believe he's supposed to be wise. That's just a cliche trope that you're projecting onto the film itself.

Perhaps there's a scene where Obi-wan treats Qui-Gon with deference. Okay. But why wouldn't he? He's the one who took him under his wing to become a Jedi--regardless of whether he's the best man to do it, Obi-wan still probably has a high degree of respect for him for taking him up. He might even say things like, "Qui-Gon is the wisest Jedi I ever knew" or whatever. It's apparent that, as soon as the film begins, the two have been working together for a relatively long time. This two-tier relationship would naturally make Obi-wan a little biased.

This gives us enough leg-room, I think, to draw the conclusion that, "Maybe Qui-Gon isn't so wise..."

sigh

I guess you could write off him abusing the force to get what he wants as a character trait

Absolutely. Now you're catching on.

The problem is though that doesn't give Obi-Wan proper room to develop. He just sits back and nags. If it weren't for Quigon dying in the end we wouldn't even be able to walk away thinking there was a definitive main character or at primary character arch.

I don't think there NEEDS to be a "definitive" main character. You're thinking in basic story structure here.

And the events of the movie were largely inconsequential to his development anyways, everything that changed in Obi-Wan would have changed anyways had the last scene happened anywhere at any time.

Who cares?

Why are they blocking trade to Naboo? Palpatine told them too? What is Palpatine holding on the side of the bargain? What supplies are they blocking to Naboo, Naboo is a planet what supplies do they need that they can't go without for barely anytime at all?

I don't care, and neither should you. Why do you care? It's inconsequential to the ultimate story of Anakin becoming Darth Vader. Make no mistake--the prequels are just a character study and history of the life of Anakin Skywalker. Anakin himself, as a little boy, probably doesn't understand anything that's happening around him, either. We're sort of looking at the galaxy and all its events through his lens.

And yes, I know Anakin was introduced a bit late into the movie. They should have introduced him earlier, I agree.

But that's basically why I like the ambiguity. It puts us in Anakin's shoes.

What exactly were the consequences of the Naboo invasion? I mean like, they forced a signature for a treaty, so what? I don't even know what "trade" even entails. I don't know why any of this is happening. The characters aren't particularly relatable and they aren't people really down on their luck and in a bad situation other than the Nabooian. Too bad the main Naboo character we meet is literally monotone. Anakin actually is someone you feel bad for, being a slave and what not. But his actor just didn't portray it well most of the time, it's hard to feel the stress of him literally racing for his freedom when he doesn't even seem to understand the bet placed on his head. Instead it's more or less just the stress of a death race itself. Everything else that happens in the movie is pretty much entirely out of his control. The space battle was a big fucking accident.

I was asking you about how ANH had weight an emotion, because it didn't. It was one of the most boring sci-fi films I've ever watched, and it just gets worse the more I watch it. It's not as bad as Empire, but it's still pretty bad.

To your points here, though, once again--I don't care about the logistics of the trade subplot, and neither should you.
Most of the main characters are relatable in some way. "Relatable" isn't an objective term, you realize?
Jake Lloyd's acting was bad, I'll give you that. I really don't care about acting, though. It's a non-point to me.

Why? Does he develop? He sort of just does the same clumbsy annoying act throughout the movie and by the power of writing things happen around him. Nothing he does is a result of his agency except for leading the Jedi to the Gunga city.

Jar Jar develops, yes. At first, he's the bumbling idiot that nobody, not even his fellow gungans, respect. By the end of the movie, he becomes a respected general for his actions during the Naboo skirmish thing. Were Jar Jar's actions during that battle silly and absurd? Yes, that's his character. Everything about him is going to be tongue-in-cheek. Would he have made a good general? Probably not, but due to him being a comic relief character, he'd probably find a way to win every single battle he's ever been in just by doing silly slapstick stuff throughout the entire conflict, like a Tom & Jerry cartoon.

And it's hilarious. Jar Jar is hilarious. Was he put in the movie just to appease kids? More than likely. George may have confirmed that at some point. Does that mean it's impossible for me to laugh at his antics fifteen years later in my twenties? Absolutely not. I liked him as a kid--there's no reason I can't like him now. He's basically SpongeBob, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Because of his (characteristically slipshod) development at the end of the movie, though, and because we've witnessed all these people mistreat him and be generally rude to him throughout the entire movie, it's a feel-good moment when we finally see someone giving him an inkling of respect.

His only flaw is that they depicted him in a decidedly racist fashion. His lanky frame, big lips, and his manner of speaking all suggest that he's making fun of... black slaves. That was pretty dumb, and it's not really funny, either.

But overall, he's a good character. I'll scream it from the fucking mountaintops.

Well obviously not exclusively as you said below.

I'm of the opinion that there should be no such thing as a "kids' movie". All "kids' movies" should also function as family films. The terms should be interchangeable. Designing a show or movie to appease a minority demographic doesn't make any sense to me. It should appease as many people as possible, if that's what you're going for. But that's off-topic as fuck.

Adults can understand slapstick, kids can't understand space politics.

I did. Well, I understood it to the extent that "adult stuff" is happening, and because of that, I found it intriguing. I don't have to fully understand something to enjoy it. That's stupid.

Movies are more than assorted picture shows.

They're also more than cliche fuckfests like you apparently want them to be.

A New Hope was a kids movie.

Prove me wrong.

Actually, allow me to just pre-emptively have the conversation for you all.
"muh uncle owen died"


Go fuck yourself.

Quote from: DAS DID NOTHING WRONG on November 22, 2015, 06:02:17 AM

Jar Jar was a better relief character then 3P0 in the OT was.
AotC was a good movie
RotS dialogue isn't as bad as everyone claims

What are you muslim?

Speak when spoken to, darkie.

After 3 minutes, it's just the same thing repeated.

Why is this 10 minutes long?

Here's a TLDR summary :

Crazed Hobo Junkie rants about a Bimbo Brainless Bitch calling Star Wars fans nerds. This is literally all that happens.

Why is this 10 minutes long?

Here's a TLDR summary :

Crazed Hobo Junkie rants about a Bimbo Brainless Bitch calling Star Wars fans nerds. This is literally all that happens.

I figured there was more to the Fox News clip than  that

Star Wars fans are pretty disgusting and hate-able, though.

So are Ganondolf mains, so slow.

Quote from: Val 'Ketamai on November 22, 2015, 04:19:51 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on November 22, 2015, 01:03:06 AM

He showed legitimate emotion only at the end of the film. Quite honestly the only other emotion I can remember him exhibiting is moderate surprise at Anakin's power level.

Well he IS a Jedi

Seems capable of getting annoyed or pissed off. And following a character without emotions is pretty fucking boring when this is a kids movie, not The Stranger.

He's a Padawan so that probably explains why he occasionally shows emotions like irritation. Might be boring, but the Jedi are all about self-control.

Quote from: Val 'Ketamai on November 22, 2015, 05:54:21 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on November 22, 2015, 05:52:21 PM

Quote from: Val 'Ketamai on November 22, 2015, 04:19:51 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on November 22, 2015, 01:03:06 AM

He showed legitimate emotion only at the end of the film. Quite honestly the only other emotion I can remember him exhibiting is moderate surprise at Anakin's power level.

Well he IS a Jedi

Seems capable of getting annoyed or pissed off. And following a character without emotions is pretty fucking boring when this is a kids movie, not The Stranger.

He's a Padawan so that probably explains why he occasionally shows emotions like irritation. Might be boring, but the Jedi are all about self-control.

Well yeah I'm criticizing the movie because it's a bad, unenjoyable movie to watch. You could write off literally every aspect of the movie to artistic integrity but that doesn't mean that it largely failed properly communicate itself.

I didn't have a problem with the characters for the most part, just didn't have enough exciting parts when I last saw it (it's been a while)

Quote from: Val 'Ketamai on November 22, 2015, 05:58:13 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on November 22, 2015, 05:56:37 PM

Quote from: Val 'Ketamai on November 22, 2015, 05:54:21 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on November 22, 2015, 05:52:21 PM

Quote from: Val 'Ketamai on November 22, 2015, 04:19:51 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on November 22, 2015, 01:03:06 AM

He showed legitimate emotion only at the end of the film. Quite honestly the only other emotion I can remember him exhibiting is moderate surprise at Anakin's power level.

Well he IS a Jedi

Seems capable of getting annoyed or pissed off. And following a character without emotions is pretty fucking boring when this is a kids movie, not The Stranger.

He's a Padawan so that probably explains why he occasionally shows emotions like irritation. Might be boring, but the Jedi are all about self-control.

Well yeah I'm criticizing the movie because it's a bad, unenjoyable movie to watch. You could write off literally every aspect of the movie to artistic integrity but that doesn't mean that it largely failed properly communicate itself.

I didn't have a problem with the characters for the most part, just didn't have enough exciting parts when I last saw it (it's been a while)

I liked Quigon but that's because it's just Liam Neeson playing Liam Neeson, he got paid to show up and read some lines.

Liam Neeson is great

Quote from: eggsalad on November 22, 2015, 05:56:37 PM

Well yeah I'm criticizing the movie because it's a bad, unenjoyable movie to watch.

Like the OT?

The prequels are worse.