GoT S6 episode 9 discussion - ENTER THE BOWL

The way those horse soldiers engaged each other is realistic. In real life they did get that close to each other and the battles ended up being fought on top of piles of bodies. Anyway those 62 good men were the only reason why John lasted until the Vale arrived.

That was the strategy Ramsay planned.

Bait Jon in, all the men charge in as archers focused one area to make a wall of bodies. Then trap them in.

Pretty sound if not for The Veil.

That shield wall was the most bad ass part of the battle. Once inside there is no way out unless you have guys on the other side like the over powered Vale.

if they had actually thought to give wun wun a weapon he could have just cleared a path once ramsay's army formed up. hell even without a weapon im pretty sure he could have just jumped over the shield wall or started stomping them.

It's as if he didn't have one just so that scene could happen. It wouldn't be hard at all for the guy to get a tree and shape it to be a club or a giant wooden sword. He should have stayed back with a bow which would be a type of artillery. One arrow would end up going thorough a bunch of people. 

alright someone help me out here. what route did the knights of the vale take that made it so ramsay had no idea a host was coming his way?

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my thoughts: the most logical route is that they took ships around the east coast, around the fingers, landed at white harbor and marched from there. if lord lamprey is in the show i imagine he will be revealed next episode and it will be explained that he declared for the northern/vale alliance and allowed LF's army to roll on through. they couldnt have just marched north through the neck, and i think the only other workable route is a trip around the east coast landing at ramsgate (who are allied with house manderly) and going up the river to hornwood then on to winterfell.

if i were LF i use the white harbor route.

In the casting information for season 6 they did have a fat highborn lord that suddenly changes allegiance with a speech like Lord Too Fat and that hasn't happened yet so it's likely they show that in the last episode.

wtf even is jon anymore

A lot of people have questions and hopefully I can shed some light on them.

When this image was released, a lot of people were joking "Darth Sansa" but it seems like D&D have actually gone through with it. Throughout this season, it would seem like Sansa has made many questionable decisions, but has she?

When she first reunites with Jon, she wastes no time in trying to convince him to attack Winterfell, even going as far as trying to guilt him into it. This is likely the entire reason she decides to go to the Wall. Later that episode they receive a letter from Ramsay saying that he has Rickon and is clearly baiting Jon into a fight. However, when they meet with Ramsay, he gives surprisingly lenient demands and says there's no need for a fight. It seems clear that the letter was written by Sansa. Sansa immediately uses the letter to guilt Jon into fighting Ramsay to save Rickon. However on the eve of battle, she tells Jon that Rickon is as good as dead and when they meet with Ramsay, she never once try to make a deal for Rickon.

She also never once feels obligated to tell Jon about Littlefinger and the Vale troops. This would definitely greatly shifted the probable winner of a battle and given them greater leverage in negotiations. One might say that maybe Sansa couldn't be sure that they were coming yet she knew that the forces of the Vale were already in the North and blatantly lies to Jon about meeting with Littlefinger which goes unexplained. The Vale forces also conveniently arrive when Jon's army has almost lost and Jon was likely dead as far as Sansa knew. She is then seen smiling despite this.

So it appears that Sansa has manipulated Jon into a losing battle which would get him and Rickon killed in order to secure the North for herself. Next episode she will probably murder Jon. It also seems likely that she planted the wooden stag for Davos to find so that he will kill Melly next episode and she doesn't resurrect Jon or Rickon. If you read between the lines it's all there.

D&D are truly masters of the craft and this just proves it.

A lot of people have questions and hopefully I can shed some light on them.

When this image was released, a lot of people were joking "Darth Sansa" but it seems like D&D have actually gone through with it. Throughout this season, it would seem like Sansa has made many questionable decisions, but has she?

When she first reunites with Jon, she wastes no time in trying to convince him to attack Winterfell, even going as far as trying to guilt him into it. This is likely the entire reason she decides to go to the Wall. Later that episode they receive a letter from Ramsay saying that he has Rickon and is clearly baiting Jon into a fight. However, when they meet with Ramsay, he gives surprisingly lenient demands and says there's no need for a fight. It seems clear that the letter was written by Sansa. Sansa immediately uses the letter to guilt Jon into fighting Ramsay to save Rickon. However on the eve of battle, she tells Jon that Rickon is as good as dead and when they meet with Ramsay, she never once try to make a deal for Rickon.

She also never once feels obligated to tell Jon about Littlefinger and the Vale troops. This would definitely greatly shifted the probable winner of a battle and given them greater leverage in negotiations. One might say that maybe Sansa couldn't be sure that they were coming yet she knew that the forces of the Vale were already in the North and blatantly lies to Jon about meeting with Littlefinger which goes unexplained. The Vale forces also conveniently arrive when Jon's army has almost lost and Jon was likely dead as far as Sansa knew. She is then seen smiling despite this.

So it appears that Sansa has manipulated Jon into a losing battle which would get him and Rickon killed in order to secure the North for herself. Next episode she will probably murder Jon. It also seems likely that she planted the wooden stag for Davos to find so that he will kill Melly next episode and she doesn't resurrect Jon or Rickon. If you read between the lines it's all there.

D&D are truly masters of the craft and this just proves it.

6/10 shitpost

A lot of people have questions and hopefully I can shed some light on them.

When this image was released, a lot of people were joking "Darth Sansa" but it seems like D&D have actually gone through with it. Throughout this season, it would seem like Sansa has made many questionable decisions, but has she?

When she first reunites with Jon, she wastes no time in trying to convince him to attack Winterfell, even going as far as trying to guilt him into it. This is likely the entire reason she decides to go to the Wall. Later that episode they receive a letter from Ramsay saying that he has Rickon and is clearly baiting Jon into a fight. However, when they meet with Ramsay, he gives surprisingly lenient demands and says there's no need for a fight. It seems clear that the letter was written by Sansa. Sansa immediately uses the letter to guilt Jon into fighting Ramsay to save Rickon. However on the eve of battle, she tells Jon that Rickon is as good as dead and when they meet with Ramsay, she never once try to make a deal for Rickon.

She also never once feels obligated to tell Jon about Littlefinger and the Vale troops. This would definitely greatly shifted the probable winner of a battle and given them greater leverage in negotiations. One might say that maybe Sansa couldn't be sure that they were coming yet she knew that the forces of the Vale were already in the North and blatantly lies to Jon about meeting with Littlefinger which goes unexplained. The Vale forces also conveniently arrive when Jon's army has almost lost and Jon was likely dead as far as Sansa knew. She is then seen smiling despite this.

So it appears that Sansa has manipulated Jon into a losing battle which would get him and Rickon killed in order to secure the North for herself. Next episode she will probably murder Jon. It also seems likely that she planted the wooden stag for Davos to find so that he will kill Melly next episode and she doesn't resurrect Jon or Rickon. If you read between the lines it's all there.

D&D are truly masters of the craft and this just proves it.

6/10 shitpost

wow dude that took time to write

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Maverick you sound like a conspiracy theorist.