Should Darth Maul have been in RoTS instead of Grievous?

Mattie G Indahouse · October 25, 2014, 06:45:42 PM

To me he would have been a great adversely for Kenobi. In the first movie he kills his master which the guy is not only a friend, but the closest thing to a father he has. At that point Maul basically killed is entire family. That right there would have deeply affected him for a decent amount of time. Even during RoTS that would probably still be affecting him to a degree. The way I thought Maul would be reintroduced is on that ship in the beginning. They go on it to rescue Palpatine and instead of Grievous being present it would be Maul.

To me that right there would be better setup. The guy that basically killed Kenobi’s only father figure which has been presumed dead for years is back to haunt him. Whatever emotions he suppressed from his master’s death would come back to haunt him and drive him into a type of rage. So not only would Anakin be haunted by his wife’s possible death at the time, but Kenobi would also be haunted by the guy that kill his master.

Latter on Kenobi gets into a fight with Maul and he ends up killing him. Not because he got a death blow on him, but because he beat him down and he executed him because of the pain he caused him due to his master’s death. That right there would show that no Jedi no matter how noble they are is no better than their counterpart. Then after that order 66 would take place and the events it leads to.

Assassin 11D7 · October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM

Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.

Septy · October 25, 2014, 07:13:40 PM

He dieded

Kinder Graham · October 25, 2014, 07:35:56 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM

Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.

If Anakin can suffer 3rd degree burns all over his body, and two limbs being cut off then Maul could have easily survived his wounds. He wouldn't have bled out because the heat from the lightsaber would have cauterized the wounds instantly

But read up on this as a possible concept of how he could have survived
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul

Mattie G Indahouse · October 25, 2014, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM

Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.

He could have survived. When he got cut in half his wounds would have been sealed up due to the heat. If he uses the force he could reduce the impact of the falls and control himself. Since the trade federation works for Palpatine they could have simply turned him into a cyborg like what he looks like in the EU.

Kinder Graham · October 25, 2014, 07:42:57 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on October 25, 2014, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.
Since the trade federation works for Palpatine they could have simply turned him into a cyborg like what he looks like in the EU.

Highly doubt that

For one, Palpatine had an elaborate plan that would lead to Anakin falling to the dark side. With Maul back, those plans would have failed so he was a liability to Sidious

Secondly, the whole rule of two. There can no be more than two Dark Lords and while Sidious replaced Maul, he is still a Dark Lord making the total to three

Thirdly, Maul would be furious that his former master tossed him aside and found a replacement

Tackel · October 25, 2014, 07:43:30 PM

Meh. He's in clone Wars, and grievous was a cool character.

Tackel · October 25, 2014, 07:44:14 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM

Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.

He did survive though.

Tackel · October 25, 2014, 07:48:35 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on October 25, 2014, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.
He could have survived. When he got cut in half his wounds would have been sealed up due to the heat. If he uses the force he could reduce the impact of the falls and control himself. Since the trade federation works for Palpatine they could have simply turned him into a cyborg like what he looks like in the EU.

The Clone Wars isn't EU. The Clone Wars and Rebels are on the same level of canon as the movies, and therefore not EU.

Assassin 11D7 · October 25, 2014, 08:17:57 PM

Quote from: Kinder on October 25, 2014, 07:35:56 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.
If Anakin can suffer 3rd degree burns all over his body, and two limbs being cut off then Maul could have easily survived his wounds. He wouldn't have bled out because the heat from the lightsaber would have cauterized the wounds instantly

But read up on this as a possible concept of how he could have survived
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul

It sounds like the authors tried their hardest to come up with any possible way to bring Maul back for the sake of reusing his character in their show. Probably because that's what they were doing.

He got cut in half just above the waist, so no working Kidneys, Intestines aren't gonna be functional, among the no-doubt other biological issues with being cut in half. And with no medical treatment to help him, and being stuck in a reactor's core(because wtf would an air vent be doing in that shaft? The top would be an air vent if anything would.) I really just don't see the whole living thing.

Anakin surviving having his arms & legs amputated and getting 3rd degree burns? Yeah, you can live without arms and legs, not having those does not equal death; same with the burns. Anakin got high quality medical treatment pretty quickly, along with being able to keep himself alive as he's the Chosen One.

Nick McIntyre · October 25, 2014, 08:18:20 PM

That would've been cool, but I've had a talk about a similar idea with a friend of mine, who practically studies Star Wars like a religion. Kenobi would most likely not have been driven into a deep rage because from the time on after he was promoted to Knight, he was more calm, reserved. Reason? Obi-Wan is supposed to be the perfect role model of what a Jedi is supposed to be.

Though, I would admit that when Darth Maul first reappeared in the Clone Wars (ugh, that went downhill shortly after he returned) Obi-Wan was just treating it as a fucking joke instead of...you know, "Darth Maul's back, OH SHIT," or something rather.

Assassin 11D7 · October 25, 2014, 08:19:03 PM

Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 07:44:14 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.

He did survive though.

Shut up, that abomination of a series never existed.

Nick McIntyre · October 25, 2014, 08:23:10 PM

And I would have preferred Grievous over Maul any day. Grievous was a fucking badass (I'm ignoring Lucas and The Clone Wars PUSSIFYING HIM).

Darth Maul got his ass sliced in half by a fucking PADAWAN.

Grievous was a bonafide Jedi killer, even murdering several Jedi in the span of a few minutes!

YouTube

Darth Maul's entrance was, granted, badass. But Obi-Wan and Qui-gon Jinn just shrugged it off as another Sith.

Grievous caused the Jedi to downright SHIT THEMSELVES.

/thread

Kinder Graham · October 25, 2014, 09:02:59 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 08:17:57 PM

Quote from: Kinder on October 25, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.
If Anakin can suffer 3rd degree burns all over his body, and two limbs being cut off then Maul could have easily survived his wounds. He wouldn't have bled out because the heat from the lightsaber would have cauterized the wounds instantly

But read up on this as a possible concept of how he could have survived
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul
It sounds like the authors tried their hardest to come up with any possible way to bring Maul back for the sake of reusing his character in their show. Probably because that's what they were doing.

He got cut in half just above the waist, so no working Kidneys, Intestines aren't gonna be functional, among the no-doubt other biological issues with being cut in half. And with no medical treatment to help him, and being stuck in a reactor's core(because wtf would an air vent be doing in that shaft? The top would be an air vent if anything would.) I really just don't see the whole living thing.

Anakin surviving having his arms & legs amputated and getting 3rd degree burns? Yeah, you can live without arms and legs, not having those does not equal death; same with the burns. Anakin got high quality medical treatment pretty quickly, along with being able to keep himself alive as he's the Chosen One.

You're forgetting this is the SW universe, where medical advancements like bacta tanks and fully-functional robotic limbs are present. Maul could have very easily gotten medical attention, given lab-grown organs, etc., etc.

Don't forget that Anakin survived because the dark side was in full consumption of him. The amount of anger and hate Maul possessed, along with the dark side, would give Maul the ability to stay alive

Tackel · October 25, 2014, 09:28:02 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 08:19:03 PM

Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.

He did survive though.
Shut up, that abomination of a series never existed.

Unfortunately for you, it did. And it's just as canon as the movies. Get used to it other words you will not like the future of Star Wars at all.

Tackel · October 25, 2014, 09:33:17 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 08:17:57 PM

Quote from: Kinder on October 25, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.
If Anakin can suffer 3rd degree burns all over his body, and two limbs being cut off then Maul could have easily survived his wounds. He wouldn't have bled out because the heat from the lightsaber would have cauterized the wounds instantly

But read up on this as a possible concept of how he could have survived
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul
It sounds like the authors tried their hardest to come up with any possible way to bring Maul back for the sake of reusing his character in their show. Probably because that's what they were doing.

He got cut in half just above the waist, so no working Kidneys, Intestines aren't gonna be functional, among the no-doubt other biological issues with being cut in half. And with no medical treatment to help him, and being stuck in a reactor's core(because wtf would an air vent be doing in that shaft? The top would be an air vent if anything would.) I really just don't see the whole living thing.

Anakin surviving having his arms & legs amputated and getting 3rd degree burns? Yeah, you can live without arms and legs, not having those does not equal death; same with the burns. Anakin got high quality medical treatment pretty quickly, along with being able to keep himself alive as he's the Chosen One.

1) It's a space Opera. Get over it.
2) It's Star Wars, get over it.
3) The force can be used to sustain life even after heavy loss of internal organs. The darkside of the force exceeds at that.
4) General grievous is a brain and some intestines, and you're arguing that Maul couldn't survive being cut in half?

DAS B00T x2 · October 25, 2014, 09:39:44 PM

Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 09:28:02 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.

He did survive though.
Shut up, that abomination of a series never existed.

Unfortunately for you, it did. And it's just as canon as the movies. Get used to it other words you will not like the future of Star Wars at all.

No. Fuck you, tomorrow I'll wake up and realize this was all a bad dream because there'll be a copy of Imperial Commando 2 on my table.

Assassin 11D7 · October 25, 2014, 10:40:57 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 25, 2014, 09:39:44 PM

Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 09:28:02 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.

He did survive though.
Shut up, that abomination of a series never existed.

Unfortunately for you, it did. And it's just as canon as the movies. Get used to it other words you will not like the future of Star Wars at all.
No. Fuck you, tomorrow I'll wake up and realize this was all a bad dream because there'll be a copy of Imperial Commando 2 on my table.

Those were my exact words as soon as I started reading his comment.

Thank you.

Assassin 11D7 · October 25, 2014, 10:46:10 PM

Quote from: Kinder on October 25, 2014, 09:02:59 PM

You're forgetting this is the SW universe, where medical advancements like bacta tanks and fully-functional robotic limbs are present. Maul could have very easily gotten medical attention, given lab-grown organs, etc., etc.

Don't forget that Anakin survived because the dark side was in full consumption of him. The amount of anger and hate Maul possessed, along with the dark side, would give Maul the ability to stay alive

If anyone nearby knew where he was or cared to help him, then yes he could've been fine, but nobody was.

Anakin survived through the force, and Palpatine coming to help him. If Palpatine hadn't come to his aid, Anakin would've been dead, easily. This is why it's not easy to believe it for Maul. Maul didn't have anyone coming to help him, not to mention he fell down a freaking reactor's core, it's like falling into a furnace or something at a refinery or power plant, you're not coming out.

Assassin 11D7 · October 25, 2014, 10:51:55 PM

Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 09:33:17 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Kinder on October 25, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.
If Anakin can suffer 3rd degree burns all over his body, and two limbs being cut off then Maul could have easily survived his wounds. He wouldn't have bled out because the heat from the lightsaber would have cauterized the wounds instantly

But read up on this as a possible concept of how he could have survived
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul
It sounds like the authors tried their hardest to come up with any possible way to bring Maul back for the sake of reusing his character in their show. Probably because that's what they were doing.

He got cut in half just above the waist, so no working Kidneys, Intestines aren't gonna be functional, among the no-doubt other biological issues with being cut in half. And with no medical treatment to help him, and being stuck in a reactor's core(because wtf would an air vent be doing in that shaft? The top would be an air vent if anything would.) I really just don't see the whole living thing.

Anakin surviving having his arms & legs amputated and getting 3rd degree burns? Yeah, you can live without arms and legs, not having those does not equal death; same with the burns. Anakin got high quality medical treatment pretty quickly, along with being able to keep himself alive as he's the Chosen One.

1) It's a space Opera. Get over it.
2) It's Star Wars, get over it.
3) The force can be used to sustain life even after heavy loss of internal organs. The darkside of the force exceeds at that.
4) General grievous is a brain and some intestines, and you're arguing that Maul couldn't survive being cut in half?

1) It's MY OPINION on a space opera. It seems like you, sir, are the one that needs to get over it.
2) Really, wtf is wrong with you?
3) Yes, it can help keep one alive for longer with massive injuries, or heal someone that's been hurt substantially, however it doesn't(or wasn't) something that allowed one to negate missing +50% of their body and continue to live indefinitely like nothing is wrong.
4) Grievous had someone that was willing to do anything possible to keep him alive. Yes, they medical technology in Star Wars is really impressive and amazing, but it only helps if you can get access to it. There isn't great access at the bottom of a reactor.

Tackel · October 26, 2014, 02:49:36 AM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 10:51:55 PM

Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Kinder on October 25, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.
If Anakin can suffer 3rd degree burns all over his body, and two limbs being cut off then Maul could have easily survived his wounds. He wouldn't have bled out because the heat from the lightsaber would have cauterized the wounds instantly

But read up on this as a possible concept of how he could have survived
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul
It sounds like the authors tried their hardest to come up with any possible way to bring Maul back for the sake of reusing his character in their show. Probably because that's what they were doing.

He got cut in half just above the waist, so no working Kidneys, Intestines aren't gonna be functional, among the no-doubt other biological issues with being cut in half. And with no medical treatment to help him, and being stuck in a reactor's core(because wtf would an air vent be doing in that shaft? The top would be an air vent if anything would.) I really just don't see the whole living thing.

Anakin surviving having his arms & legs amputated and getting 3rd degree burns? Yeah, you can live without arms and legs, not having those does not equal death; same with the burns. Anakin got high quality medical treatment pretty quickly, along with being able to keep himself alive as he's the Chosen One.

1) It's a space Opera. Get over it.
2) It's Star Wars, get over it.
3) The force can be used to sustain life even after heavy loss of internal organs. The darkside of the force exceeds at that.
4) General grievous is a brain and some intestines, and you're arguing that Maul couldn't survive being cut in half?
1) It's MY OPINION on a space opera. It seems like you, sir, are the one that needs to get over it.
2) Really, wtf is wrong with you?
3) Yes, it can help keep one alive for longer with massive injuries, or heal someone that's been hurt substantially, however it doesn't(or wasn't) something that allowed one to negate missing +50% of their body and continue to live indefinitely like nothing is wrong.
4) Grievous had someone that was willing to do anything possible to keep him alive. Yes, they medical technology in Star Wars is really impressive and amazing, but it only helps if you can get access to it. There isn't great access at the bottom of a reactor.

*Fanboy hatred intensifies*

Assassin 11D7 · October 26, 2014, 02:51:30 AM

Quote from: Tackelberry on October 26, 2014, 02:49:36 AM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Tackelberry on October 25, 2014, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Kinder on October 25, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 25, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Only real problem is that Kenobi cut Maul in half, and then Maul's remains fell into the core of a reactor system. It could've been interesting, but with how Episode I ended there was no possible way. Had Maul turned around and walked away after knocking Kenobi into the pit, it could've happened, but even that seems against Maul's character.
If Anakin can suffer 3rd degree burns all over his body, and two limbs being cut off then Maul could have easily survived his wounds. He wouldn't have bled out because the heat from the lightsaber would have cauterized the wounds instantly

But read up on this as a possible concept of how he could have survived
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul
It sounds like the authors tried their hardest to come up with any possible way to bring Maul back for the sake of reusing his character in their show. Probably because that's what they were doing.

He got cut in half just above the waist, so no working Kidneys, Intestines aren't gonna be functional, among the no-doubt other biological issues with being cut in half. And with no medical treatment to help him, and being stuck in a reactor's core(because wtf would an air vent be doing in that shaft? The top would be an air vent if anything would.) I really just don't see the whole living thing.

Anakin surviving having his arms & legs amputated and getting 3rd degree burns? Yeah, you can live without arms and legs, not having those does not equal death; same with the burns. Anakin got high quality medical treatment pretty quickly, along with being able to keep himself alive as he's the Chosen One.

1) It's a space Opera. Get over it.
2) It's Star Wars, get over it.
3) The force can be used to sustain life even after heavy loss of internal organs. The darkside of the force exceeds at that.
4) General grievous is a brain and some intestines, and you're arguing that Maul couldn't survive being cut in half?
1) It's MY OPINION on a space opera. It seems like you, sir, are the one that needs to get over it.
2) Really, wtf is wrong with you?
3) Yes, it can help keep one alive for longer with massive injuries, or heal someone that's been hurt substantially, however it doesn't(or wasn't) something that allowed one to negate missing +50% of their body and continue to live indefinitely like nothing is wrong.
4) Grievous had someone that was willing to do anything possible to keep him alive. Yes, they medical technology in Star Wars is really impressive and amazing, but it only helps if you can get access to it. There isn't great access at the bottom of a reactor.

*Fanboy hatred intensifies*

1v1 me bro.

big dog · October 26, 2014, 06:49:32 AM

Grevious was in Rise of the Spartans?

Assassin 11D7 · October 26, 2014, 01:50:39 PM

Quote from: Fedorekd on October 26, 2014, 06:49:32 AM

Grevious was in Rise of the Spartans?

This is so stupid you should be banned.

big dog · October 26, 2014, 02:13:45 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 26, 2014, 01:50:39 PM

Quote from: Fedorekd on October 26, 2014, 06:49:32 AM
Grevious was in Rise of the Spartans?
This is so stupid you should be banned.

This is so stupid you should be banned.