Quote from: Verbatim on March 19, 2017, 11:40:55 PMif jack killed maybe two or three real humans in the original series, it would feel less jarringHe did. The Gentleman, Boris, and Jujunga. They just weren't explicitly shown because it needed to be able to air in the afternoon and morning.
if jack killed maybe two or three real humans in the original series, it would feel less jarring
Quote from: Aria on March 19, 2017, 11:43:38 PMQuote from: Verbatim on March 19, 2017, 11:40:55 PMif jack killed maybe two or three real humans in the original series, it would feel less jarringHe did. The Gentleman, Boris, and Jujunga. They just weren't explicitly shown because it needed to be able to air in the afternoon and morning.well, i can't pretend i've seen every single episode or have a perfect recollection of them all--but still, therein lies the rubregardless of the reasons behind the unseen murders of those characters, that's how they presented murder: by not explicitly showing it--and now that's out the window, because we're on [adult swim]it's inconsistent, and that bugs me
It being darker tonally is a product of when it airs
They're keeping it honest to the feeling of the original series with the same brand of humor, art direction, and action sequences while using some of the additional elbow room that comes with a loosening of censors to do things that they were unable to do over a decade ago.
does this not affect the tone in any way to you
So why is it okay for Scaramouch to be explicitly beheaded, but blood coming from the neck of one of the daughters is so tonally inconsistent? Just because he's a robot? Literally the only reason no humans were explicitly dying on the original show was because TV censors won't let you show children videos of people being eviscerated. That's why everything was a robot or it happened off-screen.I really don't mean to sound rude, but it really just seems like you're looking for a reason to hate it because of the network it airs on. It's all been done tastefully, and the amount of violence is on par with the original show, substituting a rain shower of robot-blood with a small puddle of human-blood.
Quote from: Aria on March 20, 2017, 12:00:57 AMSo why is it okay for Scaramouch to be explicitly beheaded, but blood coming from the neck of one of the daughters is so tonally inconsistent? Just because he's a robot? Literally the only reason no humans were explicitly dying on the original show was because TV censors won't let you show children videos of people being eviscerated. That's why everything was a robot or it happened off-screen.I really don't mean to sound rude, but it really just seems like you're looking for a reason to hate it because of the network it airs on. It's all been done tastefully, and the amount of violence is on par with the original show, substituting a rain shower of robot-blood with a small puddle of human-blood.i think the issue we're having is this: what you view as a pair of creativity shackles being taken off, i view as a new pair being put oninstead of "you can't show blood or humans dying," it's "you HAVE to show blood and humans dying"it becomes obligatory because [as]. do you see what i mean now
At some point or another anybody creating content will likely be inconsistent due to the direction they wish to take. What's important to look at is that the creators of content should be given the space to be inconsistent. True, it might not make their work better. But in a lot of cases inconsistency lies at the heart of change and progress.Keep it simple. Let's say we look at somebody who writes stories. Compare their early works to something they do much farther down the line. The gap of inconsistency between then and now will be huge, due in part to the growth the author themselves has gone through, and the changes they desired to make over time in their work.
i don't know if i care for that comparison, because there's a perfectly justifiable reason for the inconsistency of style between each story--and they're different stories anyway, so why would they need to be stylistically consistenta better comparison would be this: a children's story is partially written, but remains unfinishedthe author comes back and decides to finish the storybut now, it's written in a different style--which ultimately affects the integrity of the whole story
But we already know that isn't true. Not a single organic creature was shown dying on screen in the first episode. Hell, the main daughter of Aku being beaten as a child was shown indirectly rather than on screen. They aren't being forced to do anything they don't want to do. The show was brought back so it could end properly, and they are doing it on their terms.
Quote from: Sαndtrap on March 20, 2017, 12:06:04 AMAt some point or another anybody creating content will likely be inconsistent due to the direction they wish to take. What's important to look at is that the creators of content should be given the space to be inconsistent. True, it might not make their work better. But in a lot of cases inconsistency lies at the heart of change and progress.Keep it simple. Let's say we look at somebody who writes stories. Compare their early works to something they do much farther down the line. The gap of inconsistency between then and now will be huge, due in part to the growth the author themselves has gone through, and the changes they desired to make over time in their work.i don't know if i care for that comparison, because there's a perfectly justifiable reason for the inconsistency of style between each story--and they're different stories anyway, so why would they need to be stylistically consistenta better comparison would be this: a children's story is partially written, but remains unfinishedthe author comes back and decides to finish the storybut now, it's written in a different style--which ultimately affects the integrity of the whole story
What about harry potter novels? Similar style but big tonal gap from start to end. It was done so with progression in mind. Novels that "aged" with their readers.Suppose that's what the new season's going for? They know that the audience is going to be older now than compared to the last time they watched it. It's a transition not just with the show, but the audience as well.
i'm not saying they ARE forced--it just feels that way to me, which affects my overall enjoymentright now, i predict that there's gonna be a quota--"every 2 episodes, we need to have an on-screen death"if the next two episodes don't have any onscreen deaths, i'll eat my wordsagain, i'm not saying there is a quota, but i can't shake the feeling that there is, based on the current direction that the series is going--and that's my issuethat's my only issue, by the way--i haven't even talked about what i enjoyed
Quote from: Sαndtrap on March 20, 2017, 12:27:07 AMWhat about harry potter novels? Similar style but big tonal gap from start to end. It was done so with progression in mind. Novels that "aged" with their readers.Suppose that's what the new season's going for? They know that the audience is going to be older now than compared to the last time they watched it. It's a transition not just with the show, but the audience as well.sure, and aria just made that same comparisonthe thing about harry potter is that, despite the massive (yet justified) tonal shifts between books, they're still well-written in the sense that they all still feel as though they 100% belong in each other's canonexcept for the cursed child, which, despite being canon, is not canon (because i said so)that's what you DON'T want to happen--for people to disavow the next installment as part of a different seriesi don't want samurai jack to fall down that road, but this new episode just leaves a bad taste in my mouthand yeah i realize i'm probably the only one who gives a fuck about integrity and consistency, but whatever
That's what's at work here; they don't have to limit themselves to just robos anymore.
Don't read too far into it Verb, you're just going to nag yourself into hating it over a nitpick.
tl;dr verb has a hate boner against adult swim and is against SJ now because of that
theres nothing wrong with a better liberty on handling blood in a show that can very well pull it off.
if i were an illustrator, i probably wouldn't ever draw peopleam i "limiting" myself by not drawing people, or do i just not want to?
Strictly speaking, you are limiting yourself. However, key to it is that it would be a choice. There's no issue with it so long as they remain faithful to their intentions. The tone reflects the arc of the story. The OG series was dark at times, but hopeful because Jack had the sword. Now he doesn't, and they're reflecting that. Not saying it'll suddenly go back to red sharpie lines when he gets the sword back (because we all know he will), but the type of violence reflects the tone, not the other way around.Have some faith in Genndy, he's never done wrong by a show of his yet.
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