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Rape aside, can we at least all agree that Trannies should reach the final solution?



 
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Okay, so...I mean... if you're being told to STOP like this person is seriously pissed off or in pain, then chances are you're doing something wrong and the sex isn't nearly as good as you think it is and yeah you should probably stop before trying to continue. Stopping to reposition is is a normal part of sex anyway.

Just my two cents here.
The reason why really doesn't matter. It could just be that your partner is unconfortable and doesn't want to have sex anymore.
The reason does matter and it should be explained. Fairness is important.
The reason for ending sex doesn't have to be explained. All your partner needs to say is "stop" (or a safe word) and you should immediately oblige. Once that happens, you two can talk about it, give reasonings, and such. If you find the reason unfair or lacking, then it may be justification to end the relationship.

But a bad or nonexistent reason is never justifcation to ignore your partner and keep fucking them, in any world.
It's not "can" talk about it, it's "should" talk about it. I'm not saying keep having sex. Seriously if someone is so mad or uncomfortable that they want to stop completely, then by all means put a stop to it. If both parties are enjoying it then it's not something that would end abruptly like that. But a conversation needs to happen if there's a problem because communication is important, the same way that consent is important.
Oh, I thought you meant a legitimate reason to stop having sex has to be given before the sex is ended. It goes without saying that there would be reasons and a conversation about it afterwards.
There's a legitimate problem I'm that rape accusations can very easily be thrown around and suddenly that person's life is ruined. People know that all they have to do is throw out an accusation, no matter how petty it is. The idea is to get away from that kind of thing.

A lot of these issues can be solved relatively easy by just putting the two in a room with a psychologist and having the issue sorted out there. Unless the situation is actually abusive or violent, people are often way too quick to jump to social defamation.
And considering anyone under the influence unable to give consent is a big part of this.

But that's not what I'm talking about. If you're in the middle of having sex, the girl makes it clear she wants to stop right now, and you ignore her and keep going, how isn't that rape? You'd have every reason to be socially defamed if you pulled that.
No one should be socially defamed until there's proof, because people believe false accusations way too easily.
Okay? In this scenario, you did it. The proof is in the hypothetical.

The question is whether or not you consider that rape, which any reasonable person would.
I'm a little shaky on this but I feel like it's sort of in the grey area but leaning towards it being rape, yeah. It kind of depends on the severity too but if you were told to stop then yes you should stop.

It's not the kind of forcibly pin someone down, rip their clothes off, and have your way with them while they're screaming and crying for you to stop sort of rape. It's someone that you consentually already started to engage in intercourse with what decided that it's not going well and they want you to stop for whatever reason. It's not as severe but it's still not good per say.
I usually get flak for this, but this is why I've always felt there should be "degrees" of rape. As in, the hide in the bushes and jump out at someone would obviously be first degree, things like this would be second.

Drunk sex shouldn't be considered rape whatsoever. You can give consent when you're intoxicated, and you're responsible for your own actions.
You can be drunk to the point you can't really have an active conversation, and sone one manipulate you into doing it.


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Okay, so...I mean... if you're being told to STOP like this person is seriously pissed off or in pain, then chances are you're doing something wrong and the sex isn't nearly as good as you think it is and yeah you should probably stop before trying to continue. Stopping to reposition is is a normal part of sex anyway.

Just my two cents here.
The reason why really doesn't matter. It could just be that your partner is unconfortable and doesn't want to have sex anymore.
The reason does matter and it should be explained. Fairness is important.
The reason for ending sex doesn't have to be explained. All your partner needs to say is "stop" (or a safe word) and you should immediately oblige. Once that happens, you two can talk about it, give reasonings, and such. If you find the reason unfair or lacking, then it may be justification to end the relationship.

But a bad or nonexistent reason is never justifcation to ignore your partner and keep fucking them, in any world.
It's not "can" talk about it, it's "should" talk about it. I'm not saying keep having sex. Seriously if someone is so mad or uncomfortable that they want to stop completely, then by all means put a stop to it. If both parties are enjoying it then it's not something that would end abruptly like that. But a conversation needs to happen if there's a problem because communication is important, the same way that consent is important.
Oh, I thought you meant a legitimate reason to stop having sex has to be given before the sex is ended. It goes without saying that there would be reasons and a conversation about it afterwards.
There's a legitimate problem I'm that rape accusations can very easily be thrown around and suddenly that person's life is ruined. People know that all they have to do is throw out an accusation, no matter how petty it is. The idea is to get away from that kind of thing.

A lot of these issues can be solved relatively easy by just putting the two in a room with a psychologist and having the issue sorted out there. Unless the situation is actually abusive or violent, people are often way too quick to jump to social defamation.
And considering anyone under the influence unable to give consent is a big part of this.

But that's not what I'm talking about. If you're in the middle of having sex, the girl makes it clear she wants to stop right now, and you ignore her and keep going, how isn't that rape? You'd have every reason to be socially defamed if you pulled that.
No one should be socially defamed until there's proof, because people believe false accusations way too easily.
Okay? In this scenario, you did it. The proof is in the hypothetical.

The question is whether or not you consider that rape, which any reasonable person would.
I'm a little shaky on this but I feel like it's sort of in the grey area but leaning towards it being rape, yeah. It kind of depends on the severity too but if you were told to stop then yes you should stop.

It's not the kind of forcibly pin someone down, rip their clothes off, and have your way with them while they're screaming and crying for you to stop sort of rape. It's someone that you consentually already started to engage in intercourse with what decided that it's not going well and they want you to stop for whatever reason. It's not as severe but it's still not good per say.
I usually get flak for this, but this is why I've always felt there should be "degrees" of rape. As in, the hide in the bushes and jump out at someone would obviously be first degree, things like this would be second.

Drunk sex shouldn't be considered rape whatsoever. You can give consent when you're intoxicated, and you're responsible for your own actions.
You can be drunk to the point you can't really have an active conversation, and sone one manipulate you into doing it.
You're still in control of what you do. If I'm blackout drunk and I get into a car and crash into the side of the building, I'm still responsible for the damages.


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Rape aside, can we at least all agree that Trannies should reach the final solution?

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Rape aside, can we at least all agree that Trannies should reach the final solution?

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I guess trannies = SJWs now

I have never met a tranny that wasn't full blown SJW, so yes.



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You're still in control of what you do. If I'm blackout drunk and I get into a car and crash into the side of the building, I'm still responsible for the damages.
Yeah I know, but I think the scenarios are a bit different (obviously).

For example if a completely sober person gets someone so drunk they're almost passed out, says they'll take em home, and fucks them.

The key factor I'm getting at is manipulation.


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You're still in control of what you do. If I'm blackout drunk and I get into a car and crash into the side of the building, I'm still responsible for the damages.
Yeah I know, but I think the scenarios are a bit different (obviously).

For example if a completely sober person gets someone so drunk they're almost passed out, says they'll take em home, and fucks them.

The key factor I'm getting at is manipulation.

What if you stick your dick in a fire ant hill? Can you sue the ants for assault or can they sue you for sexual harassment?


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If a man quits in sex, he's a beta and can't keep up.
It's almost like this mindset is a bad thing, too. The fact is that no one has the obligation to finish having sex, and if either person wants to stop at any time, then the sex has to stop. If your partner ignores it and keeps fucking you, that's obviously rape, whether it's the girl or the guy who ignores it.

Really it's rape if my girlfriend and I are fucking, and she wants stop when I'm close to nutting so I keep going for a few more seconds? That's rape? I feel very worried the types of court cases that will pop up in the future from married couples if that's the case.

Just pull out, run across the house and bust in the corner.


 
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What if you stick your dick in a fire ant hill? Can you sue the ants for assault or can they sue you for sexual harassment?
No, you can only sue the hivemind. The collective mass is smart enough to rape you.

The individual ants only go on self defense.


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Pretty much. Women offer nothing in value besides sex and maybe money, but if you rely on a woman for money, you're  a failure of a man anyway.

Why would you willingly shoot yourself right here man

You're defending the rape, which is justifying it. Saying that this is the girl's fault, in any way whatsoever, is the same thing as saying a girl who gets held down and raped in an alley had it coming for not being smart enough to dress casually.

But then Secondclass hits back with this retarded bullshit whew


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You're still in control of what you do. If I'm blackout drunk and I get into a car and crash into the side of the building, I'm still responsible for the damages.
Yeah I know, but I think the scenarios are a bit different (obviously).

For example if a completely sober person gets someone so drunk they're almost passed out, says they'll take em home, and fucks them.

The key factor I'm getting at is manipulation.
That makes sense, and I think that if there's obvious manipulation going on, that would be a rape-like crime, but the problem is that it's hard to prove things like that in court, and it's a muddled area. If I'm sober and I'm having sex with a drunk person who took the initiative, is that rape? If I'm drunk, she's drunk, but I'm trying to get her to have sex with me, is that rape?

You see my concern, I just don't want the word "rapist" applied to anyone who wasn't consciously aware that consent wasn't there, but chose to have sex anyway.
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Rape aside, can we at least all agree that Trannies should reach the final solution?

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I guess trannies = SJWs now

I have never met a tranny that wasn't full blown SJW, so yes.

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I've never met a Frenchman who wasn't black, does that mean they all are?

Your sheltered little personal bubble isn't a substitute for facts...


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You're defending the rape, which is justifying it. Saying that this is the girl's fault, in any way whatsoever, is the same thing as saying a girl who gets held down and raped in an alley had it coming for not being smart enough to dress casually.

But then Secondclass hits back with this retarded bullshit whew
Victim blamers are literally mentally handicapped.


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You're defending the rape, which is justifying it. Saying that this is the girl's fault, in any way whatsoever, is the same thing as saying a girl who gets held down and raped in an alley had it coming for not being smart enough to dress casually.

But then Secondclass hits back with this retarded bullshit whew
Victim blamers are literally mentally handicapped.

Except there is a point where the victim is to be blamed
Rapists exist and they are out there
That fact needs to be considered by everyone when they go out
There is an extent to where you're responsible for preventing bad things from happening to you
You aren't allowed to be absolved of all responsibility and stroll through life like everyone is responsible for keeping you safe

Being raped while walking on a lit street carrying pepper spray is one thing
But to be prancing through the bad part of town at 4 AM half naked and then expecting no one to wuestion whether you could've done anything to protect yourself is another

It would be as if I gave my broken car to a dentist and got mad when he couldn't fix it


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You're defending the rape, which is justifying it. Saying that this is the girl's fault, in any way whatsoever, is the same thing as saying a girl who gets held down and raped in an alley had it coming for not being smart enough to dress casually.

But then Secondclass hits back with this retarded bullshit whew
Victim blamers are literally mentally handicapped.

Except there is a point where the victim is to be blamed
Rapists exist and they are out there
That fact needs to be considered by everyone when they go out
There is an extent to where you're responsible for preventing bad things from happening to you
You aren't allowed to be absolved of all responsibility and stroll through life like everyone is responsible for keeping you safe

Being raped while walking on a lit street carrying pepper spray is one thing
But to be prancing through the bad part of town at 4 AM half naked and then expecting no one to wuestion whether you could've done anything to protect yourself is another

It would be as if I gave my broken car to a dentist and got mad when he couldn't fix it
Being dumb isn't the same thing as being at fault. The point is that you should be able to wear whatever you want at any point in the day and feel no fear. Because of rapists, that's impossible. The aura of fear we've cultivated around men and the rapes themselves are all on them.


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You're defending the rape, which is justifying it. Saying that this is the girl's fault, in any way whatsoever, is the same thing as saying a girl who gets held down and raped in an alley had it coming for not being smart enough to dress casually.

But then Secondclass hits back with this retarded bullshit whew
Victim blamers are literally mentally handicapped.

Except there is a point where the victim is to be blamed
Rapists exist and they are out there
That fact needs to be considered by everyone when they go out
There is an extent to where you're responsible for preventing bad things from happening to you
You aren't allowed to be absolved of all responsibility and stroll through life like everyone is responsible for keeping you safe

Being raped while walking on a lit street carrying pepper spray is one thing
But to be prancing through the bad part of town at 4 AM half naked and then expecting no one to wuestion whether you could've done anything to protect yourself is another

It would be as if I gave my broken car to a dentist and got mad when he couldn't fix it
Being dumb isn't the same thing as being at fault. The point is that you should be able to wear whatever you want at any point in the day and feel no fear. Because of rapists, that's impossible. The aura of fear we've cultivated around men and the rapes themselves are all on them.

Of course the victim is not at fault
But it's all about minimizing threat

We live in a world where there will always be criminals
No system will ever be free of those who oppose it

Yes of course people should never feel threatened for what they wear
But that's assuming we live in a perfect world
Which we don't
So to do whatever you want and justify it by "oh because I should feel safe", that isn't good enough

Like I said
Rapists are rapists
Some rapists will reform some rapists will not
But the point is that they're out there
And you'll be naive to think that you can impose a society where rapists will not rape you

All you're doing is punishing those who recognize the situation for what it is and who are trying do their best to minimize it
News flash, rapists won't listen to your little lectures about rape culture
Your view is that everyone should be safe at all times
And they should be in an ideal world
But this is not an ideal world
So using idealized standards in a non ideal world is just stupid
 
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I can't tell if this is satire or not.


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I can't tell if this is satire or not.
The comic? No.

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you're joking right? Like, I'm not even seeing what the issue is in that comic. That's shit that some one would post if they were taking the piss out of that community.


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Rape aside, can we at least all agree that Trannies should reach the final solution?



I can't tell if this is satire or not.
The comic? No.

..

you're joking right? Like, I'm not even seeing what the issue is in that comic. That's shit that some one would post if they were taking the piss out of that community.
The comic is anti-transgender and anti-SJW.

I don't know what you're not getting here. The viewer is supposed to sympathize with the grandpa, even though no person in the real world would ever act like the father.


 
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I can't tell if this is satire or not.
The comic? No.

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you're joking right? Like, I'm not even seeing what the issue is in that comic. That's shit that some one would post if they were taking the piss out of that community.
The comic is anti-transgender and anti-SJW.

I don't know what you're not getting here. The viewer is supposed to sympathize with the grandpa, even though no person in the real world would ever act like the father.

You're saying it's satire and Nuka is saying it isn't. I don't know anything about the artist, so I don't know what it's supposed to be.


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Rape aside, can we at least all agree that Trannies should reach the final solution?



I can't tell if this is satire or not.
The comic? No.

..

you're joking right? Like, I'm not even seeing what the issue is in that comic. That's shit that some one would post if they were taking the piss out of that community.
The comic is anti-transgender and anti-SJW.

I don't know what you're not getting here. The viewer is supposed to sympathize with the grandpa, even though no person in the real world would ever act like the father.

You're saying it's satire and Nuka is saying it isn't. I don't know anything about the artist, so I don't know what it's supposed to be.
It's hardly satire, way too thinly veiled. The artist is obviously pushing an anti-TG viewpoint, just look at the other comics that Tackel linked here.