recent changes in your philosophical outlooks?

R o c k e t · July 05, 2016, 01:57:33 AM

Leaning towards being an agnostic theist after basically not caring what I believe in for a while.

Elai · July 05, 2016, 08:09:12 AM

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Actually I'm in the process of adjusting my stance on marriage, romance and sex.
hopefully shedding your antiquated and dogmatic views

I've determined that sex is the primary form of human temptation and it should be avoided at all costs. The best way to avoid it is to not be in a relationship, because you shouldn't have sex outside the confines of marriage in the first place.

Basically just doing what Paul recommends and never getting married.

Desty · July 05, 2016, 08:35:28 AM

Do you believe in the Christian god, or are you Christian because of the beliefs?

Incan · July 05, 2016, 08:58:47 AM

I've changed from being pro-life with restrictions to being pro-choice recently.

Dietrich Six · July 05, 2016, 09:14:33 AM

Not much really, I've budged a bit on shit I find ridiculous, but I still hold the same general opinions.

Turkey · July 05, 2016, 09:32:19 AM

I'm sure I have, but I can't think of specifics.

DAS B00T x2 · July 05, 2016, 10:00:45 AM

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Not serious replies to no serious posts. And Das.

wat

Ásgeirr · July 05, 2016, 10:12:05 AM

I think im set on that front

challengerX · July 05, 2016, 10:14:57 AM

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Ásgeirr · July 05, 2016, 10:20:44 AM

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I think im set on that front
set on what

on my philosophical outlooks

always open to change of course, but i cant think of any recent changes.

More Than Mortal · July 05, 2016, 10:24:37 AM

I'm getting more cynical.

challengerX · July 05, 2016, 10:41:01 AM

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Elai · July 05, 2016, 10:42:22 AM

Quote from: Desty on July 05, 2016, 08:35:28 AM

Do you believe in the Christian god, or are you Christian because of the beliefs?

The beliefs. I don't "believe" in a god but my creed mandates that I have faith in one.

Belief=/=faith

It's a type more philosophical than spiritual, though I would still call myself a spiritual man.

Dietrich Six · July 05, 2016, 10:44:46 AM

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I've become much more open to trans stuff.

Yeah you have

Desty · July 05, 2016, 11:08:23 AM

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Do you believe in the Christian god, or are you Christian because of the beliefs?

The beliefs. I don't "believe" in a god but my creed mandates that I have faith in one.

Belief=/=faith

It's a type more philosophical than spiritual, though I would still call myself a spiritual man.

I knew it.

Do you really think that you should follow stuff that you don't believe in because the god that you don't believe in says to do so? If you don't do stuff you don't believe in, then how can you call yourself a christian? A christian is a believer.

If you like the rituals; that still doesn't make you a christian. To be a true christian means to live your life in accordance to god. If you remove god from the equation there's no christianity. If you only like the morals and such then adopt them. It's like you want a glass of apple juice, so you buy a tree. Just buy the juice carton, there's no need to embrace every aspect.

Also, if you like the rituals like eating that white circular thing, drinking some wine, and then letting a priest kiss your head, then that's boogus. You aren't like that. You won't pursue such needless pleasures. You don't strike me as someone who wants to belong, so why are you a Christian? Why not just follow the ideas you believe in?

DAS B00T x2 · July 05, 2016, 11:14:11 AM

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I've become much more open to trans stuff.

nice pun bro

Elai · July 05, 2016, 11:42:18 AM

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I knew it.

I was never secretive about such things.

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Do you really think that you should follow stuff that you don't believe in because the god that you don't believe in says to do so?

I don't do what God says because God says it. Well, that's a lie. But I mostly do what God says because what God says happens to be right, even from a secular standpoint. The strongest argument for divine existence is that secular, objective morality lines up extremely well with Christ's teachings. [I am not willing to discuss this further, though you are free to disagree.]

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If you only like the morals and such then adopt them.

I do, but transcendence of our sinful human nature requires faith that Christ was divine and perfect. There is a need to embrace that aspect, which is the most important.

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You don't strike me as someone who wants to belong, so why are you a Christian? Why not just follow the ideas you believe in?

Here's what it comes down to.

1. Every human is a piece of shit sinner, whether you believe in God or not.
2. Christ's teachings give us a way to transcend our disgusting worldly needs and become like him. The Eastern Orthodox concept of theosis is the most empowering theological idea I've come across. Belief in this idea necessitates faith in Christ's divinity.
3. Faith=/=belief, and because of my history as an atheist, genuine belief seems impossible. But a Danish philosopher and theologian by the name of Kierkegaard, who established the "leap of faith" idea, claims that faith is simply a conscious, quotidian, decision to choose faith over reason. That's all I need.

I'm not really interested in arguing, though. I hope I've helped you understand where I'm coming from, at least.

Desty · July 05, 2016, 11:52:01 AM

So it really comes down to you liking the idea of a perfect being. Well, Fuck Jesus. You don't care about him. You just care about the idea of a perfect being.

What is the perfect being? Is it a he or a she? Is that person introverted or extroverted? Is it a person who would spend time on other people instead of doing what they care about, or do they not care about anything? Is it a sentimental person, or a cold person? I believe that Jesus was a sentimental dreamer who was introverted. That doesn't strike me as the perfect being.

Aether · July 05, 2016, 11:56:11 AM

I've come to realize that some people aren't just ignorant to truth as a result of the influence of forces beyond their control, but that they consciously make the decision to remain ignorant to truth, possibly out of fear, to feel like they belong, out of spite, or even just a heart full of illogical doubt, and that all the words and logic in the world may never instill them with the will to see thus the only thing one can do to make a difference is to lead through example and hopefully make them see, regardless.

Elai · July 05, 2016, 12:09:44 PM

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So it really comes down to you liking the idea of a perfect being. Well, Fuck Jesus. You don't care about him. You just care about the idea of a perfect being.

Every human being is self-serving. Jesus knows this. I want to transcend nature and be like Jesus because that's the right thing to do, and loving Jesus is the only way to do that. That's the entire point of Christianity, to show us a better way. God doesn't care for what reasons you follow his commands.

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What is the perfect being?

A being who has transcended their earthly sinful nature.

Again, not interested in having this conversation.

Winy · July 05, 2016, 12:11:09 PM

I can't really say I've had any big ones recently.

I've been largely pescatarian for the past two months, but that's just because I got the willpower to make significant changes in my diet; I already had the view that it was wrong to buy into the meat industry long before that.

Winy · July 05, 2016, 12:16:00 PM

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THEY'RE COWS

NOT PEOPLE

REEEEEEEEEE

See, when someone says "I know eating meat from factory farms is wrong, and I admit that," it's one thing. I can respect somebody who acknowledges what they're doing something immoral, but they don't have the drive to stop. But when someone just says, "Heh it's a cow, I don't give a fuck," that's when I get legitimately upset with somebody. That's psychotic, and because you base that belief on Christianity and having "Dominion" over animals, it's another reason why I think religion is supah bad.

Like, you're just causing a bunch of things pain, but don't care at all. That's what bothers me. You have no empathy.

DAS B00T x2 · July 05, 2016, 12:30:30 PM

Animals are resources.
Come at me, faggots.

Desty · July 05, 2016, 12:32:50 PM

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So it really comes down to you liking the idea of a perfect being. Well, Fuck Jesus. You don't care about him. You just care about the idea of a perfect being.

Every human being is self-serving. Jesus knows this. I want to transcend nature and be like Jesus because that's the right thing to do, and loving Jesus is the only way to do that. That's the entire point of Christianity, to show us a better way. God doesn't care for what reasons you follow his commands.

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What is the perfect being?

A being who has transcended their earthly sinful nature.

Again, not interested in having this conversation.

You're not interested in having the conversation because to you this is the ultimate and only truth.

I don't get that stuff about loving Jesus being the only way to live the perfect life, but I'll tell you that we have the same ideal. I don't stop there though, I go forward and have more truths. Truths that put gods out of their power, however omnipotent they may be. I pity you who is a slave for a way of life that's not yours. Your ultimate truth is but a step in my ultimate truth. My ultimate truth goes beyond humans, animals, and gods. Beyond right and wrong.

So you can understand that I see your ideal of the perfect being as childish. You're too narrow-minded in focusing on humans.

Verbatim · July 05, 2016, 12:34:55 PM

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Animals are resources.
Come at me, faggots.

resources have rights

Desty · July 05, 2016, 12:42:25 PM

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Animals are resources.
Come at me, faggots.
resources have rights

Rights don't exist

Verbatim · July 05, 2016, 12:43:54 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on July 05, 2016, 12:34:55 PM
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Animals are resources.
Come at me, faggots.
resources have rights
Rights don't exist

if you're retarded

DAS B00T x2 · July 05, 2016, 12:44:39 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 05, 2016, 12:34:55 PM

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Animals are resources.
Come at me, faggots.
resources have rights

Cant spook me like that, guy.

Desty · July 05, 2016, 12:45:53 PM

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Quote from: Desty on July 05, 2016, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 05, 2016, 12:34:55 PM
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on July 05, 2016, 12:30:30 PM
Animals are resources.
Come at me, faggots.
resources have rights
Rights don't exist
if you're retarded

I was making a point, smartass.

Humans can also be resources if rights don't exist. Anything that can happen can happen. Rights restrict this. If you're able to get over the restrictions then rights truly don't exist.

Desty · July 05, 2016, 12:46:37 PM

Like Prehistoric you're too narrow-minded as well.

Why would common sense be the norm? Why would widely held beliefs be expected to be held? Maybe out on the streets, but on the internet? Come now. You're left with abstract concepts and you cling onto what you see in society.