Quote from: Madmaxepic on July 07, 2016, 12:35:16 AM

being called psychotic for holding a common ordinary ethical stance is something I would take as an insult.

Who cares? Slavery use to be the literal backbone of American agriculture, and right now, are you telling me that the belief you can own another human being isn't deplorable and "Insane?" The fact that something is a "Common" belief doesn't mean anything, plenty of times throughout history we can now see the majority of people were wrong about things.

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there's a lot of opposing ethical stances I could describe as psychotic, but I don't because it's simply a prick move, and it's not accurate because people don't hold those views out of psychosis. you know this. people who eat meat and don't feel bad about it aren't psychotic, to say so is stupid, ignorant, and judgmental.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said "If you eat meat, you're a psychopath," I said if you think that intelligence is a legitimately smart way to judge whether or not you can torture something for your convenience, then you're a psychopath. And that's exactly what you were just trying to pass off as rational.

what ever, the point is the same, you're calling me a psychopath and I don't like it. I won't discuss this with you if you don't stop using adhoms. I'm done with that kind of argument, it causes me nothing but anxiety.

you know how you said for people to tell you when you're arguing like an ass again? you're doing it now.

what ever, the point is the same, you're calling me a psychopath and I don't like it.

I really don't care that you don't like it. I don't like your "Baby murderer" shtick when you try to argue against abortion, but you don't see me crying about it. It doesn't actually have any substance in an argument; show me I'm wrong if you're so convinced that I'm being irrational about the treatment of animals. "I don't like your attitude" is a terrible reason not to try to demonstrate your perspective is better than mine.

you know how you said for people to tell you when you're arguing like an ass again? you're doing it now.

No, I'm not. I haven't insulted you even if you'd like to think I have. I described a ridiculous and psychotic mentality ("If it's dumb, it doesn't deserve to be treated ethically") as exactly what it is; psychotic. The only reason anybody would say I'm arguing like an ass right now is because I'm challenging basically the entire fabric of conventional dietary habits in most countries, which is an inconvenience to you- But it's an appropriate reason to argue and demean the practices of an industry.

Factory farms literally suck huge, smelly ass.

Quote from: Madmaxepic on July 07, 2016, 05:18:19 PM

what ever, the point is the same, you're calling me a psychopath and I don't like it.

I really don't care that you don't like it. I don't like your "Baby murderer" shtick when you try to argue against abortion, but you don't see me crying about it. It doesn't actually have any substance in an argument; show me I'm wrong if you're so convinced that I'm being irrational about the treatment of animals. "I don't like your attitude" is a terrible reason not to try to demonstrate your perspective is better than mine.

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you know how you said for people to tell you when you're arguing like an ass again? you're doing it now.

No, I'm not. I haven't insulted you even if you'd like to think I have. I described a ridiculous and psychotic mentality ("If it's dumb, it doesn't deserve to be treated ethically") as exactly what it is; psychotic. The only reason anybody would say I'm arguing like an ass right now is because I'm challenging basically the entire fabric of conventional dietary habits in most countries, which is an inconvenience to you- But it's an appropriate reason to argue and demean the practices of an industry.

Factory farms literally suck huge, smelly ass.

I have not made that argument in a long long time. if you're so damn concerned about empathy, you should care about how what you say makes people feel.

I never said that the way the meat industry works isn't somewhat wrong. But that doesn't make eating meat immoral, because there's no alternatives. That's capitalism for you. You should attack the industry, not consumers that are forced to buy from it because of monopolies.

But that doesn't make eating meat immoral, because there's no alternatives.

It's called veganism.

Or vegetarianism, if you're a pussy.

sometimes I find it funny that my white male roommate who's a marine is significantly more liberal than I am

Quote from: Madmaxepic on July 07, 2016, 07:15:41 PM

if you're so damn concerned about empathy, you should care about how what you say makes people feel.

If I'm saying a statement in a completely calm and composed way (Which I am), it's not my problem if you suddenly feel cornered as a result of me harshly criticizing your argument. It surely isn't the first time.

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But that doesn't make eating meat immoral, because there's no alternatives.

There are, like, a billion alternatives. Literally any other food. I have much stricter dietary requirements than most people, and if I can pull it off, then everybody else can.

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That's capitalism for you. You should attack the industry, not consumers that are forced to buy from it because of monopolies.

You aren't forced to buy it.

Proof: I don't buy it.

you're not harshly criticizing my argument, you're harshly criticizing me. that's why I'm upset. saying "hey, this thing you do is psychopathic" is exactly the same as saying "hey, you're a psychopath"


not eating meat isn't healthy or natural. there is no alternative other than taking synthetic pill bullshit to replace it, and that in my opinion is no way to live.

I'm not talking to you Verb, stay out of it.

you're not harshly criticizing my argument, you're harshly criticizing me. that's why I'm upset. saying "hey, this thing you do is psychopathic" is exactly the same as saying "hey, you're a psychopath"

Get over it.

not eating meat isn't healthy or natural.

First off, you should know by now that if you ever have to justify a stance by saying an alternative "Isn't natural," you're probably arguing for something poorly justified. That's the same crap that anti-homosexuality groups try to use to demean gays. Second, people are fully capable of living healthy and complete lives on a vegan, vegetarian or pescatarian diet. In fact, studies show that such a dietary lifestyle is favorable. If you didn't know this, you clearly haven't even tried skimming the surface of researching what a vegan diet involves.

there is no alternative other than taking synthetic pill bullshit to replace it, and that in my opinion is no way to live.

Taking a vitamin B12 supplement is actually going to damper your life that significantly? Give me a break. Did you ever take vitamins when you were a kid? Where you miserable because of it? Of course you weren't, because it's literally of no inconvenience.

Eating meat is what's unnatural. We had to figure out a method of eating the shit, because we literally could not digest it. We had to figure out a way to make it easier for our bodies to break down by heating it up. That's unnatural.

Not that it matters. As Nuka mentioned, the appeal to nature fallacy is repugnant to logical discourse.

Quote from: Madmaxepic on July 07, 2016, 07:57:31 PM

you're not harshly criticizing my argument, you're harshly criticizing me. that's why I'm upset. saying "hey, this thing you do is psychopathic" is exactly the same as saying "hey, you're a psychopath"

Get over it.

No.

Quote from: Madmaxepic on July 07, 2016, 08:06:34 PM

Are you a girl or something? Why are you so emotional?

I've just had enough of negativity.

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Quote from: Varg on July 07, 2016, 07:48:28 PM

sometimes I find it funny that my white male roommate who's a marine is significantly more liberal than I am

But aren't Mexicans usually deep traditional Catholics?

also I'm not sure what that has to do with what I originally said in any way whatsoever

You're supposed to be a conservative who only voted Dem to get his family across the border and for some extra gibsmedats.