Prometheus Haters BTFO

Ingy · May 20, 2017, 04:28:12 PM

Quote from: Ian on May 19, 2017, 01:33:15 PM

Fuck. What sort of come back an I supposed to make in response to that?

Quote from: True Turquoise on May 19, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
maybe I will

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Korra · May 21, 2017, 01:01:44 PM

Quote from: Ian on May 19, 2017, 01:21:16 PM

Your opinion on the matter is awful.

Bite. Me.

Quote from: True Turquoise on May 19, 2017, 01:12:25 PM
it was fucking awful

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get a fucking room

Turkey · May 21, 2017, 01:14:04 PM

Just saw it and it was bad. Prometheus was fine, because it left the aliens a mystery while explaining a tiny bit of the engineers. This did the opposite.

nͫiͤcͫeͤ · May 21, 2017, 01:35:57 PM

uhh

this movie was... meh?

i just liked watching people get rekt

ending was like "yeah no shit i saw that coming a mile away"

Ásgeirr · May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 PM

Whats so wrong about expanding/explaining the xenos?

Verbatim · May 21, 2017, 01:44:17 PM

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 PM

Whats so wrong about expanding/explaining the xenos?

makes them less scary

nͫiͤcͫeͤ · May 21, 2017, 01:44:23 PM

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 PM

Whats so wrong about expanding/explaining the xenos?

apparently people stop finding something interesting after they learned about their origins

Ásgeirr · May 21, 2017, 01:46:13 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2017, 01:44:17 PM

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
Whats so wrong about expanding/explaining the xenos?
makes them less scary

I really dont understand how. Theyre still the same instinctual hunters.

Comes off as if people dont think theyre scary because of how they are. Id understand if it was something supernatural.

Doctor Doom · May 21, 2017, 01:59:00 PM

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:46:13 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2017, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
Whats so wrong about expanding/explaining the xenos?
makes them less scary
I really dont understand how. Theyre still the same instinctual hunters.

Comes off as if people dont think theyre scary because of how they are. Id understand if it was something supernatural.

The danger the monster presents isn't the frightening part because we know it's just a movie and we're not in any real danger. The questions the viewer has about the monster are the frightening part, which means the more the viewer knows about the monster, the less scary they are. What are the aliens? Where do they come from? How are they made, and for what purpose? We don't need to know, and the horror would be ruined if we did.

Ásgeirr · May 21, 2017, 01:59:54 PM

Quote from: Doctor Doom on May 21, 2017, 01:59:00 PM

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2017, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
Whats so wrong about expanding/explaining the xenos?
makes them less scary
I really dont understand how. Theyre still the same instinctual hunters.

Comes off as if people dont think theyre scary because of how they are. Id understand if it was something supernatural.

The danger the monster presents isn't the frightening part because we know it's just a movie and we're not in any real danger. The questions the viewer has about the monster are the frightening part, which means the more the viewer knows about the monster, the less scary they are. What are the aliens? Where do they come from? How are they made, and for what purpose? We don't need to know, and the horror would be ruined if we did.

I dont share the same view then. Again, i would understand if it was supernatural.

Ian · May 21, 2017, 02:46:17 PM

Before, you had to use your imagination to think of their creation. You were limited only by what you could come up with. If you couldn't think of an explanation it only made it seem more terrifying.

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:59:54 PM

I dont share the same view then. Again, i would understand if it was supernatural.

Ásgeirr · May 21, 2017, 02:58:38 PM

Quote from: Ian on May 21, 2017, 02:46:17 PM

Before, you had to use your imagination to think of their creation. You were limited only by what you could come up with. If you couldn't think of an explanation it only made it seem more terrifying.

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:59:54 PM
I dont share the same view then. Again, i would understand if it was supernatural.

Their unexplained creation never affected their status to me. Its what they are and what they do that does.

Mordo · May 21, 2017, 03:33:34 PM

Quote from: Doctor Doom on May 21, 2017, 01:59:00 PM

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2017, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
Whats so wrong about expanding/explaining the xenos?
makes them less scary
I really dont understand how. Theyre still the same instinctual hunters.

Comes off as if people dont think theyre scary because of how they are. Id understand if it was something supernatural.

The danger the monster presents isn't the frightening part because we know it's just a movie and we're not in any real danger. The questions the viewer has about the monster are the frightening part, which means the more the viewer knows about the monster, the less scary they are. What are the aliens? Where do they come from? How are they made, and for what purpose? We don't need to know, and the horror would be ruined if we did.

I never understood this mindset.

"Don't elaborate the history of a certain fictional monster because it ruins their ability to scare"

No it doesn't? There's good origin stories and there are bad origin stories. Just because the Xeno's history wasn't handled particularly well doesn't mean you can't do justice to others. Mysteriousness is cool and all but ultimate scariness comes down to how they're portrayed in the films. The Xeno could be a fucking dildo experiment gone wrong for all I care and it still wouldn't make them any less cool.

If it bothers people that much just pretend the first two Alien films are canon and ignore the rest. That's what I've been doing.

True Turquoise · May 23, 2017, 07:25:08 AM

Quote from: oss on May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 PM

Whats so wrong about expanding/explaining the xenos?

its more scary when you don't know anything about them imo

gats · May 23, 2017, 07:41:12 AM

>Watching Alien for the plot
LMAOAOA

Saw it the other day, it was alright if I had to compare it to any of the other movies I'd say it was most comparable to 3. Too much emphasis on action and explosions like they may as well have cast Tom Cruise it would have been very fitting. Lacks the cinematography and focus on tension and atmosphere, I go into an Alien movie because I want to feel nervous, out of breath and gripped by the production it's what made the original so great and this one is absolutely lacking in that regard. Is it better than Prometheus? In a way I guess it expands on the lore much more so than any of the previous movies but like I've said that shouldn't be the focus of any Alien movie.

Turkey · May 23, 2017, 07:41:51 AM

Aliens expanded the canon, too, and nobody had an issue with it. I don't think it would have been as big of an issue in Prometheus and Covenant if it wasn't so expository. The middle act of Covenant was just straight-up exposition about how David made the xenos. Aliens barely talked about it at all, and just built up to the queen's reveal using with tension.

Ian · May 23, 2017, 08:15:38 AM

One should keep in mind that the full story of the Xenomorph still isn't explained and likely wont be. We know how David has created a Xenomorph and how that would lead up to the 1979 Alien, but the murals on the wall in Prometheus show a Xenomorph meaning they were already an established being by the time of Prometheus and Covenant.

Turkey · May 23, 2017, 09:11:17 AM

Quote from: Ian on May 23, 2017, 08:15:38 AM

One should keep in mind that the full story of the Xenomorph still isn't explained and likely wont be.

Unfortunately, Ridley Scott wants A:C to be the first of a trilogy leading directly to Alien. And the mural in Prometheus is very likely just one of the early incarnations of the Xenomorphs that we saw in that film.

Azumarill · May 23, 2017, 10:13:51 AM

both prometheus 1 and prometheus 2: davids boogaloo: the rebeginining are actually extremely dumb & shlocky movies but they have a certain degree of "well that was cool" that makes the overall shittiness ok

Azumarill · May 23, 2017, 10:15:02 AM

if youre gonna flirt with the concept of creation & destruction as a motif in ur scifi movie go all the way and make sure it's actually smart and nuanced instead of... whatever the hell they thought they were doing with david. that hot fassbender on fassbender action tho.

challengerX · May 23, 2017, 01:05:04 PM

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eggsalad · May 23, 2017, 08:38:21 PM

Prometheus had some redeeming, memorable aspects.

Covenant was entirely garbage.

Flee · June 04, 2017, 03:53:46 AM

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Maxine · June 04, 2017, 05:08:08 AM

it was pretty good

better than prometheus, though I did not dislike prometheus