CGI Tarkin was very divisive, I think we can all agree. Personally, I believe we see such a stark divide in opinion because of a specific phenomenon relating to human perception in regards to faces; the Uncanny Valley effect, which I am sure most of you have heard of. I think that because of this phenomenon, a CGI Tarkin never could look perfect, it would always be slightly off. Thus, I wasn't bothered by CGI Tarkin; I could tell it was CGI, and it was "off", but I was nonetheless impressed with it.

I've seen some people say that they should have done what they did in RoTS, and had Wayne Pygram with prosthetics portray him.
Honestly RoTS Tarkin creeps me out more than CGI Tarkin ever could. He looks like a bloated corpse.

Dance would have made a great Tarkin.

I had seen Meta mention that here. He doesn't look bad.

Oh well, maybe he can play a new Imperial Officer character in a Star Wars film sometime.

It was done very poorly in Rogue One and was a lazy attempt to use an already established villain as a crutch.

I never found Tarkin's face in R1 to look too off. Maybe it's because I was fully aware it was CGI anyway.

I honestly thought they hopped over the uncanny valley perfectly. He was there; he didn't look "off" at all.

If I cared more, I could take a closer inspection, but why would I do that when I don't closely inspect Tarkin's face normally?

I never found Tarkin's face in R1 to look too off. Maybe it's because I was fully aware it was CGI anyway.

Tarkin in Rogue One looked perfectly fine to me. When I first saw it I actually couldn't tell if it was CG or not. But yeah, no uncanny valley for me.

I'm not saying I thought it was bad or too off, I could just tell it was CGI because I had heard rumors of their resurrection of Tarkin. I thought it was amazingly done, and was very impressed even if it did look slightly odd too me when he spoke a couple times.

When he wasn't talking it was almost imperceptible.

I had no idea Tarkin was in RoTS.

He's on screen for like three seconds when Vader and Palpatine inspect the Death Star construction, on the bridge of the star destroyer.

I honestly thought they hopped over the uncanny valley perfectly. He was there; he didn't look "off" at all.

If I cared more, I could take a closer inspection, but why would I do that when I don't closely inspect Tarkin's face normally?

I honestly felt, and I've said it before, he looked too lifelike.

The character was conveyed so perfectly I thought to myself there was no way a real actor could do this.
If I hadn't known Peter Cushing is dead though, I absolutely would not have known it was CGI, I would simply have been blown away by unbelievably good acting.

Quote from: Töqi on March 27, 2017, 08:58:20 AM

It was done very poorly in Rogue One and was a lazy attempt to use an already established villain as a crutch.

I disagree, the plot of Rogue One was very closely entangled with Tarkin's grab for power and plot to replace the senate through direct fear.

If he hadn't been in the film, his shadow would've been looming over it so heavily we would only feel like something was missing.

The film itself was, unironically, a mistake. His relevance to the plot changes nothing; we learned nothing in Rogue One that we didn't already know about him from ANH, and the film fails to decide who the villain is. Vader is already established and does almost nothing but give fan service at the end; Tarkin is also established, and has almost no bearing on the plot except to fill that hole that you describe; Krennic neatly fits into the role of Generic Ambitious Bad Guy rendered impotent by the two most significant villains in the series.

Really, it's kind of disappointing how well-received Rogue One was. It had a neat space battle, but it was so full of bad writing, flat characters, and told an utterly pointless story. Jyn could have been an incredibly compelling character, but they literally cut out her entire arc.

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Quote from: Töqi on March 27, 2017, 08:58:20 AM

It was done very poorly in Rogue One and was a lazy attempt to use an already established villain as a crutch.

I disagree, the plot of Rogue One was very closely entangled with Tarkin's grab for power and plot to replace the senate through direct fear.

If he hadn't been in the film, his shadow would've been looming over it so heavily we would only feel like something was missing.

The film itself was, unironically, a mistake. His relevance to the plot changes nothing; we learned nothing in Rogue One that we didn't already know about him from ANH, and the film fails to decide who the villain is. Vader is already established and does almost nothing but give fan service at the end; Tarkin is also established, and has almost no bearing on the plot except to fill that hole that you describe; Krennic neatly fits into the role of Generic Ambitious Bad Guy rendered impotent by the two most significant villains in the series.

Really, it's kind of disappointing how well-received Rogue One was. It had a neat space battle, but it was so full of bad writing, flat characters, and told an utterly pointless story. Jyn could have been an incredibly compelling character, but they literally cut out her entire arc.

I hated Rogue One for many reasons:
•It ruined Rogue Squadron
•It ruined Dark Forces
•It was an obvious cash grab
•It ruined TFU
•It failed to take into account the very canon fact the Death Star plans were complete before the clone wars
•It oversimplified a complicated problem
And others.

It did the things it did well though, even if they did pack too much into too little time.
It was clear to me that the villain was Director Krennic, and while he was under the thumbs of Vader and Tarkin, he was motivated to antagonise our heroes by himself. The fact that there were greater powers than he bearing down on him was simply a plot device to generate sympathy for the villain, and try to fix the fact the this complicated problem had been so oversimplified. In the moment it worked, only in review the flaw comes to light.

Ultimately it's a fun flick, as long as you don't take it too seriously.

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Quote from: Fishcakes on March 28, 2017, 06:22:07 PM

Quote from: Töqi on March 27, 2017, 08:58:20 AM

It was done very poorly in Rogue One and was a lazy attempt to use an already established villain as a crutch.

I disagree, the plot of Rogue One was very closely entangled with Tarkin's grab for power and plot to replace the senate through direct fear.

If he hadn't been in the film, his shadow would've been looming over it so heavily we would only feel like something was missing.

The film itself was, unironically, a mistake. His relevance to the plot changes nothing; we learned nothing in Rogue One that we didn't already know about him from ANH, and the film fails to decide who the villain is. Vader is already established and does almost nothing but give fan service at the end; Tarkin is also established, and has almost no bearing on the plot except to fill that hole that you describe; Krennic neatly fits into the role of Generic Ambitious Bad Guy rendered impotent by the two most significant villains in the series.

Really, it's kind of disappointing how well-received Rogue One was. It had a neat space battle, but it was so full of bad writing, flat characters, and told an utterly pointless story. Jyn could have been an incredibly compelling character, but they literally cut out her entire arc.

I hated Rogue One for many reasons:
•It ruined Rogue Squadron
•It ruined Dark Forces
•It was an obvious cash grab
•It ruined TFU
•It failed to take into account the very canon fact the Death Star plans were complete before the clone wars
•It oversimplified a complicated problem
And others.

It did the things it did well though, even if they did pack too much into too little time.
It was clear to me that the villain was Director Krennic, and while he was under the thumbs of Vader and Tarkin, he was motivated to antagonise our heroes by himself. The fact that there were greater powers than he bearing down on him was simply a plot device to generate sympathy for the villain, and try to fix the fact the this complicated problem had been so oversimplified. In the moment it worked, only in review the flaw comes to light.

Ultimately it's a fun flick, as long as you don't take it too seriously.

The Geonosians had only designed the superstructure, the weapon was only a mere concept.
Basically the Geonosians' contribution was "what if there was a big spherical space station that had some sort of powerful weapon? Let's make a detailed concept schematic."

Then when the republic takes Geonosis, Poggle The Lesser gets the Geonosians to build some of the superstructure (Geonosians will kill each other if they have no tasks to complete), in exchange for some autonomy.
Later the Empire sprays pesticide on Geonosis and kills all the bugs.

Also TFU's story is basically a bad fanfic and I don't understand why people like it.

They didn't explain that in the film, the idea was that the plans were complete.

If there was more exposition on it in a book, then that isn't canon.

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Quote from: Fishcakes on March 28, 2017, 08:20:48 PM

Quote from: Töqi on March 28, 2017, 07:18:16 PM

Quote from: Fishcakes on March 28, 2017, 06:22:07 PM

Quote from: Töqi on March 27, 2017, 08:58:20 AM

It was done very poorly in Rogue One and was a lazy attempt to use an already established villain as a crutch.

I disagree, the plot of Rogue One was very closely entangled with Tarkin's grab for power and plot to replace the senate through direct fear.

If he hadn't been in the film, his shadow would've been looming over it so heavily we would only feel like something was missing.

The film itself was, unironically, a mistake. His relevance to the plot changes nothing; we learned nothing in Rogue One that we didn't already know about him from ANH, and the film fails to decide who the villain is. Vader is already established and does almost nothing but give fan service at the end; Tarkin is also established, and has almost no bearing on the plot except to fill that hole that you describe; Krennic neatly fits into the role of Generic Ambitious Bad Guy rendered impotent by the two most significant villains in the series.

Really, it's kind of disappointing how well-received Rogue One was. It had a neat space battle, but it was so full of bad writing, flat characters, and told an utterly pointless story. Jyn could have been an incredibly compelling character, but they literally cut out her entire arc.

I hated Rogue One for many reasons:
•It ruined Rogue Squadron
•It ruined Dark Forces
•It was an obvious cash grab
•It ruined TFU
•It failed to take into account the very canon fact the Death Star plans were complete before the clone wars
•It oversimplified a complicated problem
And others.

It did the things it did well though, even if they did pack too much into too little time.
It was clear to me that the villain was Director Krennic, and while he was under the thumbs of Vader and Tarkin, he was motivated to antagonise our heroes by himself. The fact that there were greater powers than he bearing down on him was simply a plot device to generate sympathy for the villain, and try to fix the fact the this complicated problem had been so oversimplified. In the moment it worked, only in review the flaw comes to light.

Ultimately it's a fun flick, as long as you don't take it too seriously.

The Geonosians had only designed the superstructure, the weapon was only a mere concept.
Basically the Geonosians' contribution was "what if there was a big spherical space station that had some sort of powerful weapon? Let's make a detailed concept schematic."

Then when the republic takes Geonosis, Poggle The Lesser gets the Geonosians to build some of the superstructure (Geonosians will kill each other if they have no tasks to complete), in exchange for some autonomy.
Later the Empire sprays pesticide on Geonosis and kills all the bugs.

Also TFU's story is basically a bad fanfic and I don't understand why people like it.

They didn't explain that in the film, the idea was that the plans were complete.

If there was more exposition on it in a book, then that isn't canon.

Literally all that was shown in AoTC was a hologram of the superstructure.

It was explained in a book, Catalyst, which released in November and is canon.

Gay

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•It ruined TFU

How? They're so unrelated.

Totally fucked over the existence of Galen Marek.

I'll have to watch it again and make exact notes of how and when, been a while since I've seen it.

but Galen Marek is a shitty fanfic protagonist. He's like a well drawn deviantart OC