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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
LC has stated several times that his ban length was from more than just his shitty comment.

but 2 months is out of wack for a weightless threat, a shitty joke even.

Either ban him every tine he's a shit for 1-2 days or don't bother, not wait until he's hit some arbitrary monthly shit-quota and slapping a cumulative time ban on him.
hence "quota" and "cumulative"

^^

I see it as a general rule, 'you can't call it out a foul if no-one's noticed and play has carried on'.

Unless there's been previous warnings about his behaviour to cut that shit out, you can't just say at a random point "right that's it" and ban him for all the other times, otherwise it's setting a precedence for the rest of us so that we can be retroactively banned for shit we did that at the time wasn't called out.

Just because I piss off LC or any of the moderators a bit too much once doesn't warrant all my previous posts being scrutinised for being unruly and then being punished for all of them at once.

Ban/warn for every occurrence then and there, keep the punishments separate (but with previous warnings/bans in mind), or don't ban at all.

I swear we as a group have had this talk before, it's about fucking consistency in moderation.


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He could very well have been informally warned for previous times and we just don't know about it. It's not are place to know about Verb's private interactions with the Mod team.

EDIT: Removed.

I see it as a general rule, 'you can't call it out a foul if no-one's noticed and play has carried on'.

Unless there's been previous warnings about his behaviour to cut that shit out, you can't just say at a random point "right that's it" and ban him for all the other times, otherwise it's setting a precedence for the rest of us so that we can be retroactively banned for shit we did that at the time wasn't called out.

Just because I piss off LC or any of the moderators a bit too much once doesn't warrant all my previous posts being scrutinised for being unruly and then being punished for all of them at once.

Ban/warn for every occurrence then and there, keep the punishments separate (but with previous warnings/bans in mind), or don't ban at all.

I swear we as a group have had this talk before, it's about fucking consistency in moderation.
Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 09:42:18 AM by Ian


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
He could very well have been informally warned for previous times and we just don't know about it. It's not are place to know about Verb's private interactions with the Mod team.

This whole thread is now a moot point though, from what I see on Verb's title, it appears to look as if he's not banned anymore.

A fair point, but it could either way. Neither of us know honestly. And I disagree with it being a moot point. Regardless of Verb's unbanning, I'm not focusing on the individual here. This shit could happen again and to any of us, albeit only a few are likely to feel it. Doesn't make it any less fair than beforehand if we just accept the status-quo that any of us can get retro-actively receive a combo-punishment.


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You could bring it up with Cheat (or LC since the former is never really around), and keep the message on hand in the case of consistency coming into question.

Bans here are rare, this is a rather close-knit community so we all know the boundaries well which makes it easy to skirt the line. That's the big reason the moderation seems inconsistent, the Mods have to determine just how over the line something is and decide what to do from there.

A fair point, but it could either way. Neither of us know honestly. And I disagree with it being a moot point. Regardless of Verb's unbanning, I'm not focusing on the individual here. This shit could happen again and to any of us, albeit only a few are likely to feel it. Doesn't make it any less fair than beforehand if we just accept the status-quo that any of us can get retro-actively receive a combo-punishment.


 
 
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I've said before it was fucking stupid and I'll say it again.

Previously, when people have had lengthy bans there is a long history of recent escalating offences to justify it.

I.e 1 day, 2 days, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month etc. Usually for the exact same shit like meatspin or flaming.



Verb's ban history for the last 12 months prior to this ban has one day in it and a handful of warnings.

From the start of 2016, through to the start of 2017 he was banned for one day with enough warning points to add up to two days.

A week would have more than sufficed to get the point across.


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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Sometimes there's too much emotion in moderating.

You're supposed to remain objective ya fuckin' gandernecks.


 
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Verbatim got banned again?


 
 
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Sometimes there's too much emotion in moderating.

You're supposed to remain objective ya fuckin' gandernecks.
This verbatim ban aside, I wouldn't say there has been any issue with that in a very long time.

Hindsight is good though, there are many things that I would have handled differently if they happened today instead of a year or two ago. Learning how to moderate in moderation did take a little while tbh.


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Why didn't they get added up to two days?

Verb's ban history for the last 12 months prior to this ban has one day in it and a handful of warnings.

From the start of 2016, through to the start of 2017 he was banned for one day with enough warning points to add up to two days.

A week would have more than sufficed to get the point across.


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Why didn't they get added up to two days?

Verb's ban history for the last 12 months prior to this ban has one day in it and a handful of warnings.

From the start of 2016, through to the start of 2017 he was banned for one day with enough warning points to add up to two days.

A week would have more than sufficed to get the point across.
That's exactly the issue here. The ban was rolled out based on annoying activity that wasn't even worthy of warnings on their own. I'd understand if there was a clear stream of warnings and bans up to this point, but there wasn't. It went from 1 to 60 without touching the gas pedal.


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Just because I piss off LC or any of the moderators a bit too much once doesn't warrant all my previous posts being scrutinised for being unruly and then being punished for all of them at once.

Shitty, aggressive, ban worthy posts don't lose their shitty aggressive ban worthiness over time. If it was just LC he pissed off, sure, one day would have been an acceptable timeout, but he's pissed off virtually everybody here at some point. Dickery should be a bannable offense, and consistent dickery warrants a longer ban.


 
 
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Why didn't they get added up to two days?

Verb's ban history for the last 12 months prior to this ban has one day in it and a handful of warnings.

From the start of 2016, through to the start of 2017 he was banned for one day with enough warning points to add up to two days.

A week would have more than sufficed to get the point across.
The system is a bit complicated to explain by the numbers, but I'll try to.

The warning system on here is done by numbers usually in increments of 5.

A warning is anywhere between 0 and 29, a lite-ban (where you cannot post) is 30 points or higher.
A minor bit of rule breaking tends to get a verbal 'knock it off', followed by a warning of 10 points say, if they persist it goes up to 30 so they hit the cap for a lite-ban.

Verb has a handful of warnings, two of which occurred on the same day (and so added up to a lite-ban for that 24 hour period). The others were just formal warnings to cut the shit.

What it boils down to in normal terms is

He's had one 24 hour ban and a couple of formal warnings in the last year. That is hardly notable given that some users get them by the month (for spamming emojipasta usually).

Verb's comment was crossing a line, so a ban can be justified for it. A two month ban (even if it got reduced to one month) is still grossly disproportionate. And the idea that because he's been a dick for a few months, it's justified to give him a long-ass ban, is retarded.


 
 
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Just because I piss off LC or any of the moderators a bit too much once doesn't warrant all my previous posts being scrutinised for being unruly and then being punished for all of them at once.

Shitty, aggressive, ban worthy posts don't lose their shitty aggressive ban worthiness over time. If it was just LC he pissed off, sure, one day would have been an acceptable timeout, but he's pissed off virtually everybody here at some point. Dickery should be a bannable offense, and consistent dickery warrants a longer ban.
If we ban dickery, the entire of the bloody site is gone.


 
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I assume points go down after a period of time? It's been a while since my only warning.


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Why didn't they get added up to two days?

Verb's ban history for the last 12 months prior to this ban has one day in it and a handful of warnings.

From the start of 2016, through to the start of 2017 he was banned for one day with enough warning points to add up to two days.

A week would have more than sufficed to get the point across.
That's exactly the issue here. The ban was rolled out based on annoying activity that wasn't even worthy of warnings on their own. I'd understand if there was a clear stream of warnings and bans up to this point, but there wasn't. It went from 1 to 60 without touching the gas pedal.
I believe the phrase is 0 to 100
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I assume points go down after a period of time? It's been a while since my only warning.
Yeah, forgot that part.
They decay over time back down to 0, I can't remember the timeframe though but it's whenever the orange symbol disappears from your nameplate.


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Just because I piss off LC or any of the moderators a bit too much once doesn't warrant all my previous posts being scrutinised for being unruly and then being punished for all of them at once.

Shitty, aggressive, ban worthy posts don't lose their shitty aggressive ban worthiness over time. If it was just LC he pissed off, sure, one day would have been an acceptable timeout, but he's pissed off virtually everybody here at some point. Dickery should be a bannable offense, and consistent dickery warrants a longer ban.
If we ban dickery, the entire of the bloody site is gone.

There's a distinction between being a jokey kind of asshole and just being an asshole.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
Just because I piss off LC or any of the moderators a bit too much once doesn't warrant all my previous posts being scrutinised for being unruly and then being punished for all of them at once.

Shitty, aggressive, ban worthy posts don't lose their shitty aggressive ban worthiness over time. If it was just LC he pissed off, sure, one day would have been an acceptable timeout, but he's pissed off virtually everybody here at some point. Dickery should be a bannable offense, and consistent dickery warrants a longer ban.
If we ban dickery, the entire of the bloody site is gone.

There's a distinction between being a jokey kind of asshole and just being an asshole.

And yet as shown, no warnings were given for it to justify the cumulative punishment.

Either Verb was his regular self and there was a failure in consistent moderation for banning assholery, or verb got cumulatively punished for a rule that doesn't exist and is broad and based on the mod on duty, being emotional when they should be objective.

Ignore the fact Verb's involved entirely, and the problem is far reaching and effects everyone who feels like being a tad too sarcastic one day.
Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 01:09:48 PM by Iontach Gaeilge


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does this stuff even work?
I don't like him, but his ban was too long.


 
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I don't like him, but his ban was too long.
How can you dislike anybody here you don't even post lmao

I post, just not a lot because i have a life.


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I neither fear, nor despise.
I don't like him, but his ban was too long.
How can you dislike anybody here you don't even post lmao

I post, just not a lot because i have a life.

They have lives too, they just consist of too much sep7



 
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Verbatim got banned again?
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If he can't handle the time then he shouldn't have done the crime.


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I don't like him, but his ban was too long.
How can you dislike anybody here you don't even post lmao

I post, just not a lot because i have a life.
Holy shit you must be a slave in a rural village in Africa, dude


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