I lost a lot of members tonight [WITH POLL]

If it was delivered in a clinical way, and the person had actual evidence to back it up, then it would be allowed. I've said that even people arguing for phrenology can go into volcano. It's marked as a NSFW channel for a reason.

is this a popular section of the server, or does it rarely get posted in

It's the third channel down. It's in the main chats. This is how my server is laid out:

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so did you not see anything like this coming or what

No I saw it coming eventually lol. That's why I was so self-assured and prepared for it.

No I saw it coming eventually lol. That's why I was so self-assured and prepared for it.

making a thread about it here to ask who was in the right doesn't make you look very self-assured

given that you haven't provided the full story, i'm inclined to side with the people leaving

there's no reason to ban anybody for having stupid opinions, but if the server really had been advertised as a "safe space" for these weak, weak people who so desperately need attention, or want to cling to the notion that they're special, or whatever the fuck is going on in their developing prepubescent minds, then it's not shock that they'd leave once the illusion that they're trying to maintain is shattered

having a designated debate room where free speech absolutism is a cornerstone in what's been advertised as a safe space for LGBT+ people is a very poor mixture, and you really can't have both

it also sounds like some people left not because of the decision not to ban that person, but because you personally made it a much bigger thing than it needed to be by going on and on about it, to a point where you had people saying "okay fine, can we just drop it now" at the very beginning of the logs (clearly showing this went on for a much longer time than was shown)

no one wants to be part of a channel that's led by some raving druggie, despite the fact that you will never accept that that's what you are

i certainly think it's cool that you won't ban someone for having incendiary opinions, but perhaps if you made the intentions of the server clearer, you wouldn't be having this mass exodus of people who thought this was a drama-less server

this is also why nobody here is going to join, ever, because you're the one running it, and you've consistently proven that you don't know the first thing about how to run something like this

I side with Carmen without knowing the full story because I’ve seen how batshit a lot of these tucute trans people behave on Reddit. They do not handle dissenting opinions or points of view well and tend to ban people who in any way suggest there should be some sort of dysphoric feeling in order to actually be trans. That’s not exactly what I see from that screenshot, but I can see those sorts of people going ape over it all the same.

No I saw it coming eventually lol. That's why I was so self-assured and prepared for it.

making a thread about it here to ask who was in the right doesn't make you look very self-assured

I had the expectation that this thread would make me look fantastic, yes. And it did. I merely provided a poll so people could weigh in. That's not why I did this, but it was a good side effect for sure.

I had the expectation that this thread would make me look fantastic, yes. And it did.

eh

I side with Carmen without knowing the full story because I’ve seen how batshit a lot of these tucute trans people behave on Reddit. They do not handle dissenting opinions or points of view well and tend to ban people who in any way suggest there should be some sort of dysphoric feeling in order to actually be trans. That’s not exactly what I see from that screenshot, but I can see those sorts of people going ape over it all the same.

yeah, transmedicalism seems to have fallen completely out of favor as of late, and i haven't been able to fully grasp why yet

but i'm also at a point where these topics just kinda give me headaches, so i avoid them, which is my own fault

I don't  know if I'll ever understand how disagreeable opinions are supposed to be "unsafe."

I don't  know if I'll ever understand how disagreeable opinions are supposed to be "unsafe."

because you're taking the term "safe space" too literally, although it's not a difficult concept

it's about finding comfort and peace-of-mind in a place where you don't have to put up with people's bullshit

the specific sort of "disagreeable opinions" that you're vaguely alluding to aren't intrinsically "unsafe," but they do get annoying, and some people don't have the energy to put up with them, so they'd rather be in a place where they don't constantly feel like they're on the defensive

since not everybody has the luxury of having a place like this, they have to be created manually

I don't  know if I'll ever understand how disagreeable opinions are supposed to be "unsafe."

because you're taking the term "safe space" too literally, although it's not a difficult concept

it's about finding comfort and peace-of-mind in a place where you don't have to put up with people's bullshit

disagreeable opinions aren't "unsafe," but they are annoying, and some people would rather be in a place where they don't have to be annoyed all the time—but since not everybody has the luxury of having a place like this, they have to be created

That actually makes sense. I'm trying to create a literal safe space server too. I can run two servers with two different purposes.

I don't  know if I'll ever understand how disagreeable opinions are supposed to be "unsafe."

because you're taking the term "safe space" too literally

it's about finding comfort and peace-of-mind in a place where you don't have to put up with people's bullshit

It seems pretty apparent that I just have a different idea of what "safe" is than these people.

Honestly the idea of someone feeling the need to have their sensibilities pandered to so strictly makes me cringe.

It seems pretty apparent that I just have a different idea of what "safe" is than these people.

Honestly the idea of someone feeling the need to have their sensibilities pandered to so strictly makes me cringe.

you're right, people should be obliged to pander to your sensibilities instead

does it also make you cringe that some people need therapy when you don't

how would you respond if someone entered the #volcano debate section and said "it's my personal belief that white people are superior to all other races"

the topic never comes up anywhere else; only in this designated channel that affords them absolute free speech, expressed in the most vanilla way possible

would you tolerate this? just curious as to how far this goes for you

If it was delivered in a clinical way, and the person had actual evidence to back it up, then it would be allowed. I've said that even people arguing for phrenology can go into volcano. It's marked as a NSFW channel for a reason.

You know, despite making up only 13% of the US population...

It seems pretty apparent that I just have a different idea of what "safe" is than these people.

Honestly the idea of someone feeling the need to have their sensibilities pandered to so strictly makes me cringe.

you're right, people should be obliged to pander to your sensibilities instead

does it also make you cringe that some people need therapy when you don't

That doesn't make sense. Why would I ever expect anyone to pander to my sensibilities? There's nothing wrong with needing therapy. I need therapy.

The idea that everyone around you would need to modify their behavior and not express anything that might offend you is what makes me cringe. The people Class is talking about may not even entirely believe that. It's just the impression given. Certainly there are some people who do believe it.

tbh if they get triggered by that, they're bound to make noise over something sooner or later
this debacle was inevitable

That doesn't make sense. Why would I ever expect anyone to pander to my sensibilities? There's nothing wrong with needing therapy. I need therapy.

The idea that everyone around you would need to modify their behavior and not express anything that might offend you is what makes me cringe. The people Class is talking about may not even entirely believe that. It's just the impression given. Certainly there are some people who do believe it.

it's not about expecting anyone to pander to you—i'm just saying, maybe we need to find you a place where you don't have to put up with all these people who need safe spaces, because they clearly give you a lot of distress with their cringeworthy tendencies

maybe we can call it a Protected Place, or something, and it'll be just for you

if you were consistent, you would also cringe at the idea of therapy, because it's literally the same fucking idea, just on a one-on-one professional basis

i swear to god, you just get dumber and dumber

and in case you've noticed that most people in society don't act like monkeys, it's because human beings have always modified their behavior for the sake of others—it's part of what makes us an intelligent and civilized species

ew, how cringeworthy

it's not about expecting anyone to pander to you—i'm just saying, maybe we need to find you a place where you don't have to put up with all these people who need safe spaces, because they clearly give you a lot of distress with their cringeworthy tendencies

maybe we can call it a Protected Place, or something, and it'll be just for you

if you were consistent, you would also cringe at the idea of therapy, because it's literally the same fucking idea, just on a one-on-one professional basis

i swear to god, you just get dumber and dumber

Is that what you assume people mean when they say "cringe?"

I didn't say the idea of a safe space is cringe at all. I'm talking about the idea of a person feeling the need to make everywhere they interact with other people into a safe space. How much more clarity do you need?

I don't even understand why you seem to be so upset about this. You even called them weak people so it's obvious you aren't afraid to criticize these people.

It was me who poopoo farded

I'm talking about the idea of a person feeling the need to make everywhere they interact with other people into a safe space. How much more clarity do you need?

sure okay, i'll allow you to act like that's anywhere close to what you said before (it wasn't, though)

Honestly the idea of someone feeling the need to have their sensibilities pandered to so strictly makes me cringe.

there is nothing in this sentence that indicates that you're talking specifically about people who invade other communities in order to transform them into safe spaces

not that these people exist anyway

the people who joined this discord server did not make it into a safe space; they were under the impression that it was a safe space, so you don't even understand what's going on in the first place

You even called them weak people so it's obvious you aren't afraid to criticize these people.

your criticisms are coming from a much different place, and it's a place that i despise

he people who joined this discord server did not make it into a safe space; they were under the impression that it was a safe space, so you don't even understand what's going on in the first place

Unfortunately, you're incorrect there. I made it abundantly clear what the purpose of the server was, and they pretty much just plugged their ears and didn't want to hear it. I can't appease every fool.

I'm talking about the idea of a person feeling the need to make everywhere they interact with other people into a safe space. How much more clarity do you need?

sure okay, i'll allow you to act like that's anywhere close to what you said before (it wasn't, though)

What I initially said was in relation to the actions of the people that left his server. It gave the impression of people trying to turn somewhere that wasn't a safe space into one. I specifically said that they may not have actually been trying to do that, it was just the idea that was invoked by what this thread was about.

The belief that you assumed I had about safe spaces? I don't have it. So you can chill out now. Or not, it doesn't matter. You seem to understand what I actually think at this point so I don't really care anymore.

My bad if I shit at clarifying what I'm thinking.

he people who joined this discord server did not make it into a safe space; they were under the impression that it was a safe space, so you don't even understand what's going on in the first place

Unfortunately, you're incorrect there. I made it abundantly clear what the purpose of the server was, and they pretty much just plugged their ears and didn't want to hear it. I can't appease every fool.

well, that's what you say

I'm talking about the idea of a person feeling the need to make everywhere they interact with other people into a safe space. How much more clarity do you need?

sure okay, i'll allow you to act like that's anywhere close to what you said before (it wasn't, though)

What I initially said was in relation to the actions of the people that left his server. It gave the impression of people trying to turn somewhere that wasn't a safe space into one. I specifically said that they may not have actually been trying to do that, it was just the idea that was invoked by what this thread was about.

The belief that you assumed I had about safe spaces? I don't have it. So you can chill out now. Or not, it doesn't matter. You seem to understand what I actually think at this point so I don't really care anymore.

My bad if I shit at clarifying what I'm thinking.

Would it kill you to gender me correctly? Jesus Christ.

he people who joined this discord server did not make it into a safe space; they were under the impression that it was a safe space, so you don't even understand what's going on in the first place

Unfortunately, you're incorrect there. I made it abundantly clear what the purpose of the server was, and they pretty much just plugged their ears and didn't want to hear it. I can't appease every fool.

well, that's what you say

Yes - it is. If you don't believe me, the proof is in the pudding. I don't delete messages or logs unless explicitly asked to for privacy reasons.

I'm talking about the idea of a person feeling the need to make everywhere they interact with other people into a safe space. How much more clarity do you need?

sure okay, i'll allow you to act like that's anywhere close to what you said before (it wasn't, though)

What I initially said was in relation to the actions of the people that left his server. It gave the impression of people trying to turn somewhere that wasn't a safe space into one. I specifically said that they may not have actually been trying to do that, it was just the idea that was invoked by what this thread was about.

The belief that you assumed I had about safe spaces? I don't have it. So you can chill out now. Or not, it doesn't matter. You seem to understand what I actually think at this point so I don't really care anymore.

My bad if I shit at clarifying what I'm thinking.

Would it kill you to gender me correctly? Jesus Christ.

No, but I haven't had enough interaction with you using female pronouns for it to be second nature to me.

I suppose that's fair. Just, please try to work on it if you could. I'm not the type to get mad or anything.