Quote from: True Turquoise on June 04, 2016, 12:34:40 AMFATE ZEROWas an anime first
FATE ZERO
Quote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 12:36:05 AMQuote from: True Turquoise on June 04, 2016, 12:34:40 AMFATE ZEROWas an anime firstLight Novel*
now what is THAT
Meh. I own one and it's a samurai love story. It was okay I didn't finish it. I haven't "played" any others and I didn't know there were ones that were not romance.
Quote from: Ian on June 04, 2016, 12:37:22 AMQuote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 12:36:05 AMQuote from: True Turquoise on June 04, 2016, 12:34:40 AMFATE ZEROWas an anime firstLight Novel*now what is THAT
The entire point of that route is to ask him if he would give up everything to save the one person he loves.It's not so black and white as you're making it. In a way, it's doing exactly what Kiritsugu did at the end, only before he became a little too dark. It's a good read. You shouldn't shut it out simply because of that reason alone. Shirou spouting his super hero stuff got annoying after a while anyway.Rin points out he's pretty much broken in UBW. Picture HF as the way of fixing him.
Quote from: Ian on June 04, 2016, 12:41:05 AMI mostly enjoyed F/SN because of the characters, the story was still good but it was the cast and their behaviors that really kept me in. Taking the main hero and turning him into something completely different is fucking stupid. It may have excellent world building compared to the other two routes but you know there's a serious problem when one of the bad ends (Mind of Steel) is better/more legitimate than either of the two "proper" endings. Because at least with MoS Shirou acts like fucking Shirou. Quote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 12:37:09 AMHF is interesting for many a reason. To dump it for that is just silly, as it does play into his character in more ways than one. Plus, it plays like a direct sequel to Fate/Zero, so that's good. The entire point of that route is to ask him if he would give up everything to save the one person he loves.It's not so black and white as you're making it. In a way, it's doing exactly what Kiritsugu did at the end, only before he became a little too dark. It's a good read. You shouldn't shut it out simply because of that reason alone. Shirou spouting his super hero stuff got annoying after a while anyway.Rin points out he's pretty much broken in UBW. Picture HF as the way of fixing him.
I mostly enjoyed F/SN because of the characters, the story was still good but it was the cast and their behaviors that really kept me in. Taking the main hero and turning him into something completely different is fucking stupid. It may have excellent world building compared to the other two routes but you know there's a serious problem when one of the bad ends (Mind of Steel) is better/more legitimate than either of the two "proper" endings. Because at least with MoS Shirou acts like fucking Shirou. Quote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 12:37:09 AMHF is interesting for many a reason. To dump it for that is just silly, as it does play into his character in more ways than one. Plus, it plays like a direct sequel to Fate/Zero, so that's good.
HF is interesting for many a reason. To dump it for that is just silly, as it does play into his character in more ways than one. Plus, it plays like a direct sequel to Fate/Zero, so that's good.
Is Ace Attorney a VN? Lots of people say it is and it might as well be since it's all dialogue.
How is it anything like what Kerry did at the end of Zero? Kerry was willing to sacrifice his family and the people he loves to save the most people possible. HF Shirou is willing to sacrifice everyone else for the sake of one person. Kerry would find that mentality to be abhorrent. The Kerry route for Shirou is Mind of Steel.Heavens Feel doesn't "fix" Shirou, it breaks him in the other direction. UBW is the only route where Shirou comes out somewhat ok mentally.
^ going to echo thisA good VN is kind of a rarity.
Quote from: LC on June 04, 2016, 12:48:41 AMHow is it anything like what Kerry did at the end of Zero? Kerry was willing to sacrifice his family and the people he loves to save the most people possible. HF Shirou is willing to sacrifice everyone else for the sake of one person. Kerry would find that mentality to be abhorrent. The Kerry route for Shirou is Mind of Steel.Heavens Feel doesn't "fix" Shirou, it breaks him in the other direction. UBW is the only route where Shirou comes out somewhat ok mentally.I meant at the very end. That because he saved one person, he was happy. I am well aware him becoming Archer is Kerry before that.And I'd say he came out just fine at the end of Heavens Feel. Well... after he got his new body.I will say that the normal ending or whatever where Sakura grows old waiting for him, was one of the most depressing things I've read.
Question for you, LC. Is Mind of Steel him becoming the Archer you see in UBW? I know some that would say it's not connected at all, but it seems that it sort of goes hand in hand. Especially given the look he gives Illya before he has to leave her.
Quote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 01:12:02 AMQuestion for you, LC. Is Mind of Steel him becoming the Archer you see in UBW? I know some that would say it's not connected at all, but it seems that it sort of goes hand in hand. Especially given the look he gives Illya before he has to leave her.In Mind of Steel Shirou goes full Kerry and wins the war by killing his opponents under the justification that it's worth it to kill the few in order to save the many.MoS Shirou is not counter guardian Shirou.
Quote from: LC on June 04, 2016, 01:25:36 AMQuote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 01:12:02 AMQuestion for you, LC. Is Mind of Steel him becoming the Archer you see in UBW? I know some that would say it's not connected at all, but it seems that it sort of goes hand in hand. Especially given the look he gives Illya before he has to leave her.In Mind of Steel Shirou goes full Kerry and wins the war by killing his opponents under the justification that it's worth it to kill the few in order to save the many.MoS Shirou is not counter guardian Shirou.So literally just Batman then
It literally spells it out for you right there at the end of Zero.
Quote from: LC on June 04, 2016, 01:23:27 AMIt literally spells it out for you right there at the end of Zero.I forgot he said the line he looked like he saved himself. It's been way too long since I've seen Zero. I should probably give it a re-watch.
Quote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 01:28:21 AMQuote from: LC on June 04, 2016, 01:23:27 AMIt literally spells it out for you right there at the end of Zero.I forgot he said the line he looked like he saved himself. It's been way too long since I've seen Zero. I should probably give it a re-watch.That's a rather iconic scene... I have to wonder if you were paying attention when watching it. Hell, they even revisited it in the UBW adaptation. You know, one of the few points in the adaptation that actually surpassed the original VN.YouTube
I still think Shirou's justification for being Archer at the end of UBW is retarded
Quote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 01:46:47 AMI still think Shirou's justification for being Archer at the end of UBW is retardedBut he never becomes Archer at the end of UBW.
Quote from: LC on June 04, 2016, 01:47:24 AMQuote from: Luciana on June 04, 2016, 01:46:47 AMI still think Shirou's justification for being Archer at the end of UBW is retardedBut he never becomes Archer at the end of UBW.Not Spirit Emiya, but he still does his whole superhero shtick
So having the belief of "believing in an ideal, holding it close, and trying to achieve it while simultaneously recognizing that you realistically never get everything you want, but that's ok because it's the ideal itself that's beautiful" is retarded.
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