Obama Is Going To Pull Funding for NC Schools

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What stops perverts from getting it changed if it's so simple. If it's easy, then perverts can easily abuse it, if it's hard, then you're putting undue burden on trans people.

Well if you were educated, you would know that you need a doctor's approval to have it changed
Did you think you could go to the DMV and just have it changed or something?

And for those willing to go as far as forging it, the problem would no longer be bathroom laws
It would be individuals going out of their way to be a creep which would fall under other federal laws

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And some people's ideas of out of the ordinary are not something that need to be entertained.

If a person reports a trans person, then the trans person would show ID and explain their situation
Like you said, some non trans people have this problem too

Right
Because all transmen are big hairy and buff [/quote]
Many are. This did nothing to address the point.

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Many are. This did nothing to address the point.

Seeing how there are only 1OO-5OO surgeries performed every year for trans people, I doubt it
Unless you can provide some statistics on that

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They've proven quite willing to enforce these policies, even on cis women.

Like I said
Statistics?

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You can't always just tell whether a person who looks like a man in the bathroom is trans or pretending to be without calling the police on them. "Oh he can't be a pervert, perverts get punished" is delusional level thinking. Is that going to matter to a woman at the moment? When she's unsure whether this 200 pound bearded dude who can clearly overpower her is standing there? Is she going to care "oh well whatever he does he can be punished for it", or is she going to genuinely feel uncomfortable?

In which case she of course then contacts the police to verify this situation.

And so is how transmen are never able to use the bathroom without dealing with the police again.

With either policy, you'll never be able to completely tell who's trans and who's not
You're just trying to make it seem like droves of big hunky trans men will be pouring into the lady's room
At least with this policy, people are under the umbrella of lawful protection whereas with your policy, they are not

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Unsurprisingly to no ill effects or notable patterns of crime.
But hypotheticals are of more importance than reality to those supporting these bills.

I'm sure there were no patterns of crime but now that you want to put it into writing, it will literally be in the law that there is no barrier protecting people from having their privacy violated

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Really? I've seen examples where that was attempted, not once where it was held up.

Yeah because it's not in the law that people can just claim to be trans without support
And I would like to keep it that way 

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It doesn't protect them. Criminal behavior is still punished. Somehow you act as if there is some magic act rapists can perform to simultaneously conduct criminal behavior while not conducting criminal behavior. If some dude goes in there and looks every woman in the eye as they leave the stall and he licks his lips, that's sexual harassment and he can get arrested. I don't understand what mental gymnastics you're pulling.

Yeah because sexual harassment is sexual harassment and you'll get arrested either way
Men can easily just deny allegations since there are no cameras in the bathroom
The point is that the law permits men to enter the bathroom under false pretenses


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You know, 'don't ask, don't tell' worked pretty nicely for people picking a toilet before.

Look like a girl, go in the ladies
Look like a bloke, go in the gents

Whichever side of this fired the first shot opened pandora's bloody box because now you either have the assumption that molesters are pouring into lavatories or you have to find some way of determining if 'that lady' is actually a man or visversa.

It has worked because it was a legal gray spot
But now that's brought to the forefront of discussion, a decision will have to be made and put into writing


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I really think NC is being irrational and trying to chase a boogeyman that isn't there. Out of the measly 3.8% of American citizens that identify as LGBT, only 0.3% is Trans, what are the absolute chances that you're going to walk into a restroom with someone that may not be the same birth sex as you?

Also, this REALLY belongs in Serious.

It's not about the probability or solving any glaring issue
It's about ensuring protection under the law
You don't leave a gaping legal loophole out there for people to exploit


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Yawn, I feel bad for the people with daughters.

Catering to the 0.2% of the population because we are afraid of being labeled "bigoted" is a fucking joke. Trans people have a legit mental illness and are being coddled instead of treated. I love North Carolina for doing this. Actually just changed my plans of going to Myrtle Beach this summer, and am now booking a vacation in the Outer Banks instead. Take all my tourist money you great state.


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]I don't understand why you still think I ever implied you weren't able to debate this topic because I never once said anything of the sort. I've already explained that once, did you not see? Why even try to make that point again?

My original statement was directed at no specific person. It was a general statement, ergo the reason I specifically said, "people," not, "Dissonance."

You're taking this too personally, It's pretty irrational. If you manage to spin this around as, "I'm not allowed to?" again then I'd possibly be inclined to say that it's purposefully irrational.

I'm not
I'm questioning why you're discouraging any discussion that isn't fucking end of the world shit


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So go tell your shithead state legislators and various school boards to comply with Title IX

Gender is a completely different than gender identity
Gender identity loophole to bypass gender


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I was thinking these things at first, but honestly, we have a justice system for a reason. However shitty it may be, it won't allow men to enter the women's restroom and be a complete creep without punishment.

Besides, this stuff already happens. In fact, a girl I know had a man follow her into the bathroom, LOCK THE DOOR, and almost raped her. I'm sorry, but you're going to have to come up with a better argument against this law than "now rapists can rape people legally". It's just nonsensical. Rape is still illegal, stalking is stil illegal. Get a grip and let's be adults about this.

First of all rape like I said before is a bad example
No one is going to commit full on felonies in the bathroom and get away with it
Fact remains that under this law the bathroom becomes a place where it is very easy for men to enter under false pretenses


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for what

going in the bathroom or rape

crimes they committed inside will still be crimes

Let me clarify
Men are now permitted to enter the women's restroom and spy on what they do in there
And as auspicious as it seems, it's a very real breach of privacy
The bathroom is no longer protected as a place where you can preform private functions without freedom from the threat of potential mentally disturbed people 


 
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Yawn, I feel bad for the people with daughters.

Catering to the 0.2% of the population because we are afraid of being labeled "bigoted" is a fucking joke. Trans people have a legit mental illness and are being coddled instead of treated. I love North Carolina for doing this. Actually just changed my plans of going to Myrtle Beach this summer, and am now booking a vacation in the Outer Banks instead. Take all my tourist money you great state.
Where were you going before? Alabama?


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Yawn, I feel bad for the people with daughters.

Catering to the 0.2% of the population because we are afraid of being labeled "bigoted" is a fucking joke. Trans people have a legit mental illness and are being coddled instead of treated. I love North Carolina for doing this. Actually just changed my plans of going to Myrtle Beach this summer, and am now booking a vacation in the Outer Banks instead. Take all my tourist money you great state.

Yo
Outer Banks is fucking nice
Beaches are fucking primo


 
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You do realize you'll have to bow when the Supreme Court eventually takes it up and more than likely rules in favor of the left.

And then you'll realize everything is literally the same because until it was made a law, no one cared.
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Why should NC abandon its evangelical culture
Lawmakers in NC, or any state, should subside their evangelical beliefs while at work, because there's that crazy new act called the separation of church and state.


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Why should NC abandon its evangelical culture
Lawmakers in NC, or any state, should subside their evangelical beliefs while at work, because there's that crazy new act called the separation of church and state.
That's only relevant never


 
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You do realize you'll have to bow when the Supreme Court eventually takes it up and more than likely rules in favor of the left.

And then you'll realize everything is literally the same because until it was made a law, no one cared.
It's mostly symbolic. It's pretty obvious these fights can't be won without secession, and that would never happen.
So you're saying the South WILL rise again?! I'm ready.


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The amount of inconsistency coming from the trans community is fucking ridiculous

So if I make a trans person uncomfortable, it's my fault for making them uncomfortable
But if they walk into whichever bathroom they want and I find that uncomfortable, it's my fault for being uncomfortable

None of you guys have answered my question yet
What protects people from the threat of other people who are not suppose to be in their bathroom??

Because you're all just saying "oh but nothing will happen if we let people do whatever they want"

And I would be more understanding except you can change the fucking gender on your birth certificate

Honestly, if you don't let transgender people do whatever they want, you're a bigot and closed minded

Laws aren't based on your feelings
They're based on facts and logic
And a law that says you can choose the bathroom based on your feelings is not a logical law
Honestly I'm not even making it seem worse than it is
It is legit saying you can choose which bathroom you feel like using 


 
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Why should NC abandon its evangelical culture
Lawmakers in NC, or any state, should subside their evangelical beliefs while at work, because there's that crazy new act called the separation of church and state.
The NC constitution actually requires elected officials to profess belief in a higher power.

But then, as we all know, law doesn't tell us what is right or wrong, just what the rules are.
That's really stupid


 
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You do realize you'll have to bow when the Supreme Court eventually takes it up and more than likely rules in favor of the left.

And then you'll realize everything is literally the same because until it was made a law, no one cared.
It's mostly symbolic. It's pretty obvious these fights can't be won without secession, and that would never happen.
So you're saying the South WILL rise again?! I'm ready.
Tfw no second uprising to finally overthrow the Northern oppressor.
I am loving the backlash that states are trying to do with these bills though since the gay marriage passed. And then when this passes in the Supreme Court in probably a year or two, they'll have to find something else to focus on.

I always find it odd when something universal passes, conservative states try to find any loop holes in something else.


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You do realize you'll have to bow when the Supreme Court eventually takes it up and more than likely rules in favor of the left.

And then you'll realize everything is literally the same because until it was made a law, no one cared.

Principle does not care about outcome

You don't get to do whatever you want because you have a victimized mindset
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See you Cowgirl,
Someday, somewhere
So go tell your shithead state legislators and various school boards to comply with Title IX
You lads are missing this gold. When Das says your state is fucking up then your state really is fucking up and needs to get their shit straight before we drop nukes on North Carolina again.


 
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You do realize you'll have to bow when the Supreme Court eventually takes it up and more than likely rules in favor of the left.

And then you'll realize everything is literally the same because until it was made a law, no one cared.

Principle does not care about outcome

You don't get to do whatever you want because you're have a victimized mindset
you're

I'm not even saying that from a for/against stance on the trans thing. I don't have a victimized mindset because I honestly don't care about it. I've already told you I'm jaded on it and hate this State vs White House thing. Just let the Supreme Court take it up and be done with it. We all know that's where it's going anyway, and odds are it'll be ruled in favor of the left.


 
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Why should NC abandon its evangelical culture
Lawmakers in NC, or any state, should subside their evangelical beliefs while at work, because there's that crazy new act called the separation of church and state.
The NC constitution actually requires elected officials to profess belief in a higher power.
So? Hypocritical and morally heinous laws are enacted and struck down constantly in the US. Religion has no impact on policy, and any lawmaker who takes his faith into account before signing bills is a terrible lawmaker and person.


 
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Why should NC abandon its evangelical culture
Lawmakers in NC, or any state, should subside their evangelical beliefs while at work, because there's that crazy new act called the separation of church and state.
The NC constitution actually requires elected officials to profess belief in a higher power.

But then, as we all know, law doesn't tell us what is right or wrong, just what the rules are.
That's really stupid
Yeah I don't see much point in it myself, but it was written way back in the day. It isn't even enforced as far as I know.
Have you seen half the laws in the US that are outdated and not enforced? Our country is whacky.


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