He's talking about the father is the first quote unless I misread that which I'm sure the OP will correct me if I did
Quote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 10:44:38 AMQuote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 05:49:39 AMBras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_braYes a majority of men wear bras and we obviously think of men when we think of bras
Quote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 05:49:39 AMBras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_bra
Bras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women.
You didn't mention any of what the father did other than "He ripped him out for it" which we can only ascertain as "Chewing him out for it", Which is never good for any form of behavior the child may be doing,
what you're describing now is completely different
I only see degenerate behavior in something that actually has negative consequences for society, this does not.
Does it really matter? Is it really worth raising an alarm?
He'll know it wont be appropriate when he sees other boys only wearing boys clothes and only girls wearing girls clothes. Children are smarter than we think, they can put two and two together easily. He already knows he's a boy, so he'll catch on pretty quickly that those clothes aren't "for him". When I worked at Disney Springs, I used to be right outside the Princess Boutique where little girls would get to dress up as princesses with dresses and makeup and other overly-priced nonsense. No one ever batted an eye at the occasional little boy wanting to be Anna or Cinderella, because everyone that took a basic psychology class in high school or college knows that it's just childhood playing. The idea that those boys would grow up to become some transgender, or homosexual, or sexual deviant because of that is downright laughable. This is not as rare as people seem to think it is, it's pretty common. Common enough that I was able to pull up that link immediately from a simple Google search, and common enough to be taught in Psychology courses. The idea that a four year old playing dress up with girls clothes is going to cause serious sexual consequences is simply uneducated. Quote from: Infinitely Arctic on November 04, 2016, 10:54:08 AMSeeing how that article doesn't actually say what the "normal way of growing out of it" is, I'm left to assume you mean social learningAnd social learning involves seeing what behaviors are right and wrongIf you just tell him that crossdressing is ok, how is he ever going to know what is appropriate or not
Seeing how that article doesn't actually say what the "normal way of growing out of it" is, I'm left to assume you mean social learningAnd social learning involves seeing what behaviors are right and wrongIf you just tell him that crossdressing is ok, how is he ever going to know what is appropriate or not
Quote from: Infinitely Arctic on November 04, 2016, 11:06:32 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 10:44:38 AMQuote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 05:49:39 AMBras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_braYes a majority of men wear bras and we obviously think of men when we think of brasThat's not the point, though, is it?Men can wear bras. It's certainly not a normal thing, but a thing nonetheless.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 11:10:11 AMQuote from: Infinitely Arctic on November 04, 2016, 11:06:32 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 10:44:38 AMQuote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 05:49:39 AMBras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_braYes a majority of men wear bras and we obviously think of men when we think of brasThat's not the point, though, is it?Men can wear bras. It's certainly not a normal thing, but a thing nonetheless.The point was that bras are for women and you came in with that idiotic "hurr durr they have male bras tooooo"
Quote from: Infinitely Arctic on November 04, 2016, 11:42:27 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 11:10:11 AMQuote from: Infinitely Arctic on November 04, 2016, 11:06:32 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 10:44:38 AMQuote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 05:49:39 AMBras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_braYes a majority of men wear bras and we obviously think of men when we think of brasThat's not the point, though, is it?Men can wear bras. It's certainly not a normal thing, but a thing nonetheless.The point was that bras are for women and you came in with that idiotic "hurr durr they have male bras tooooo"Yes, that's exactly what you do when someone says something ignorant. You prove them wrong.
clearly it is, cuz it worked.no its notyou can rip into someone and still not traumatise themhe yelled at his son. thats what i would call "ripping in to". but there was nothing abusive or traumatic about what he said or how he said it.
Cross-dressing is indicative of some larger issues of the day, that do have negative consequences on soceity and need to be dealt with. A father can only solve the problems of the society within his home, not an entire civilisation. If every father did that we wouldn't have these issues.
Yes. He is not going to have an easy life. His parents make absolutely no money, so there'll be nothing for him to inherent. His mother is weak and his father will die young.Taking care of his family is his responsibility when the previous generation passes on. And this theme of femininity and weakness being acceptable to the extent that it is within men is just counter-productive to him being capable of that kind of responsibility. The last thing he needs is a mental illness fucking up his priorities.
I don't know why you keep acting like he's magically just going to grow out of it This issue arose because the boy has a lack of understanding on what boys are suppose to be And when that happens, you're suppose to tell him and enforce what is expected of each genderI never said that yelling and using force is appropriate But putting him in line is not a bad thing
Quote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 10:44:38 AMQuote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 05:49:39 AMBras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_braThe very fact that it's called a male bra proves my point. Not to mention it's used to treat a problem/disease and has no aesthetic appeal.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 01:24:21 PMQuote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 01:22:40 PMQuote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 10:44:38 AMQuote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 05:49:39 AMBras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_braThe very fact that it's called a male bra proves my point. Not to mention it's used to treat a problem/disease and has no aesthetic appeal.The idea that bras need to be aesthetically appealing is a cultural thing.No, it's a woman thing. It was designed for women. Because breasts are sexually attractive.
Quote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 01:22:40 PMQuote from: Verbatim on November 04, 2016, 10:44:38 AMQuote from: challengerX on November 04, 2016, 05:49:39 AMBras are a cultural thing? Or are they specifically designed for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_braThe very fact that it's called a male bra proves my point. Not to mention it's used to treat a problem/disease and has no aesthetic appeal.The idea that bras need to be aesthetically appealing is a cultural thing.
He knows he's a boy already, he simply hasn't recognized the differences between them and girls, which is normal at that age.
You made ZERO mention of the father talking to the son. Just yelling at them and not backing it up with a conversation like you implied is wrong.
How? What issue does it cause? All I would see is people throwing a fit that others wear different type of clothes because it makes THEM feel uncomfortable.Quoteit's part of the growing issue of male feminity being socially acceptable. being feminine is fine if you're a dude -- given that it doesn't take away from the man's responsibilities regarding family. which it usually does.plus yeah, its just fucking gay to cross dress. im going to make fun of you for it. end of story.Quote1. You have a preconceived notion that this behavior would cause his life turmoil. If it was simply in private would life still be difficult? How would anyone know?Quotepeople who do shit in secret dont do it in secret for long. hard to draw boundaries. Quote2. The idea that cross-dressing will turn the child into a sexual deviant is uneducated and ignorant. It goes against years of psychological research.i dont really care. butbits not sexual deviancy i have a problem with. its this trend of male femininity i dont like.
it's part of the growing issue of male feminity being socially acceptable. being feminine is fine if you're a dude -- given that it doesn't take away from the man's responsibilities regarding family. which it usually does.plus yeah, its just fucking gay to cross dress. im going to make fun of you for it. end of story.Quote1. You have a preconceived notion that this behavior would cause his life turmoil. If it was simply in private would life still be difficult? How would anyone know?Quotepeople who do shit in secret dont do it in secret for long. hard to draw boundaries. Quote2. The idea that cross-dressing will turn the child into a sexual deviant is uneducated and ignorant. It goes against years of psychological research.i dont really care. butbits not sexual deviancy i have a problem with. its this trend of male femininity i dont like.
1. You have a preconceived notion that this behavior would cause his life turmoil. If it was simply in private would life still be difficult? How would anyone know?Quotepeople who do shit in secret dont do it in secret for long. hard to draw boundaries. Quote2. The idea that cross-dressing will turn the child into a sexual deviant is uneducated and ignorant. It goes against years of psychological research.i dont really care. butbits not sexual deviancy i have a problem with. its this trend of male femininity i dont like.
people who do shit in secret dont do it in secret for long. hard to draw boundaries. Quote2. The idea that cross-dressing will turn the child into a sexual deviant is uneducated and ignorant. It goes against years of psychological research.i dont really care. butbits not sexual deviancy i have a problem with. its this trend of male femininity i dont like.
2. The idea that cross-dressing will turn the child into a sexual deviant is uneducated and ignorant. It goes against years of psychological research.
it is not normal to not recognize the differences in boys and girls at that agekids are a lot smarter and more observational than you're making them out to be
At four? No, the average age is five to six. Ya know, when the whole "They have cooties" idea starts. Quote from: The Lord Ruler on November 04, 2016, 02:43:31 PMit is not normal to not recognize the differences in boys and girls at that agekids are a lot smarter and more observational than you're making them out to be
um yeah actually kids learn and observe the differences between boys and girls long before they go into kindergarten not during. if a kid cant already tell the difference between a boy and girl, they're already far behindthe only reason the "cooties" thing starts is because at that point they're going into school and spending a lot more time among children of the same and opposite sex
Gaara444 desperately trying to justify crossdressing in anime costumes
Your link on page 3 said thisQuoteChildren know by the time they are about three whether they are boys or girls. They can say "I am a boy" or "I am a girl".
Children know by the time they are about three whether they are boys or girls. They can say "I am a boy" or "I am a girl".
Halo 3?
Do you have a source on that? I provided a link either last page or the page before stating the opposite. Quote from: The Lord Ruler on November 04, 2016, 04:11:36 PMum yeah actually kids learn and observe the differences between boys and girls long before they go into kindergarten not during. if a kid cant already tell the difference between a boy and girl, they're already far behindthe only reason the "cooties" thing starts is because at that point they're going into school and spending a lot more time among children of the same and opposite sex
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspxHow Does Gender Identity Develop in Children?Around two-years-old, children become conscious of the physical differences between boys and girls. Before their third birthday, most children are easily able to label themselves as either a boy or a girl. By age four, most children have a stable sense of their gender identity. During this same time of life, children learn gender role behavior—that is, doing "things that boys do" or "things that girls do."Before the age of three, children can differentiate toys typically used by boys or girls and begin to play with children of their own gender in activities identified with that gender. For example, a girl may gravitate toward dolls and playing house. By contrast, a boy may play games that are more active and enjoy toy soldiers, blocks, and toy trucks.
AMA My nephew has been cross-dressing lately.
