Quote from: http://www.sep7agon.net on November 03, 2016, 04:44:31 PM

Quote from: Val 'Ketam on November 03, 2016, 02:44:56 PM

Quote from: EarningAttorney on November 03, 2016, 02:14:57 PM

Quote from: Loaf on November 03, 2016, 01:42:56 PM

Good, encourage it, don't let a kid grow up thinking there's anything weird about crossdressing. That's how homophobes are born.

Are you fucking retarded?

He is, yes.

i mean, is he wrong about there not being anything inherently wrong with cross dressing?

Because clothes for women aren't for men. It's just ridiculous. They're designed for women. Sure, a man could wear them, the same way he could wear a fucking dog harness.

If we're gonna go down that route you might as well make clothes that are gender neutral.

the thing is, it's really a one-sided issue; no one these days except maybe the most conservative middle aged people really cares when women wear clothing that lean more to the masculine side (see: tomboys)

it shouldn't be a big deal. what clothes are feminine and what clothes are masculine are a cultural thing-- they're not inherent. and yeah some cultural standards like "don't rape people" or "don't sacrifice your children to gods" are pretty important but when it comes to something as benign as men wearing skirts or whatever it shouldn't be seen as wrong when it's just a person being themselves and not harming anybody in the process

Thank god for the dad. If it was up to OP he'd be wearing dresses next.

wtf you think im okay with him doing that?

im just not his pops and its not my place to say something like that.

What the father did was wrong. Not just from the standpoint of the fact that it's not really a big deal, but also he's has the possibility of getting an inverse outcome.

When your child starts playing with fire, you try to educate them about the importance of fire calmly, just yelling at them to stop will only make it exciting. That's how arsonists are born, the father is shooting himself in the foot by being so aggressive against it.

did it again today and his dad ripped into him

dont think he'll do it again

What the father did was wrong.

actually 100% the right thing to do

he shouldnt be stealing and wearing women's underwear

There's nothing "inherently" wrong with wearing clothes for the other gender

What's wrong about it is the fact that they're taking pleasure in knowing they're violating a taboo and that's unhealthy

You must have missed the second half of my post. If the father really wanted him to stop he could've done it without emotionally damaging the child along with the risk of just having him be a closet cross dresser. There is tons of evidence on why this is a bad parenting style, the entire issue of teen pregnancy is one caused by this kind of parenting, this is taught in basic college psychology, and everyone has some form of anecdotal evidence proving this fact.

Ignoring the fact that there is nothing wrong with wearing the clothes of the opposite gender. The father could have just as easily just sat him down and calmly told him what he was doing, why it would be a problem, and explain the risks of what he's doing for his age. He could have also just waited it out because he's fucking FOUR, he is more than likely going to grow out of it as soon as he enters the "Girls have cooties" stage which is real soon.

I realize both are family to you, but objectively the father is doing way more damage and has no idea what he's doing.

actually 100% the right thing to do

he shouldnt be stealing and wearing women's underwear

Quote from: http://www.sep7agon.net on November 03, 2016, 06:22:11 PM

Quote from: challengerX on November 03, 2016, 04:56:30 PM

Quote from: http://www.sep7agon.net on November 03, 2016, 04:44:31 PM

Quote from: Val 'Ketam on November 03, 2016, 02:44:56 PM

Quote from: EarningAttorney on November 03, 2016, 02:14:57 PM

Quote from: Loaf on November 03, 2016, 01:42:56 PM

Good, encourage it, don't let a kid grow up thinking there's anything weird about crossdressing. That's how homophobes are born.

Are you fucking retarded?

He is, yes.

i mean, is he wrong about there not being anything inherently wrong with cross dressing?

Because clothes for women aren't for men. It's just ridiculous. They're designed for women. Sure, a man could wear them, the same way he could wear a fucking dog harness.

If we're gonna go down that route you might as well make clothes that are gender neutral.

the thing is, it's really a one-sided issue; no one these days except maybe the most conservative middle aged people really cares when women wear clothing that lean more to the masculine side (see: tomboys)

it shouldn't be a big deal. what clothes are feminine and what clothes are masculine are a cultural thing-- they're not inherent. and yeah some cultural standards like "don't rape people" or "don't sacrifice your children to gods" are pretty important but when it comes to something as benign as men wearing skirts or whatever it shouldn't be seen as wrong when it's just a person being themselves and not harming anybody in the process

this isn't the serious board goddam let us have fun

they're having a conversation

By the time the little bugger is 15 it'll be likely that he won't remember that stuff anyway.

People treating the whole deal like it's do or die up in this shit.

It's a kid. He's four.

Quote from: Infinitely Arctic on November 03, 2016, 10:14:20 PM

What's wrong about it is the fact that they're taking pleasure in knowing they're violating a taboo and that's unhealthy

Not if the taboo is harmless and arbitrary.

HOLY FUCK everyone in this thread except Ian is fucking dumb as shit.

Except it's not
Do you not realize how important identity is to a person's mental health

Everyone is saying oh it's not a big deal he'll grow out of it
He only grows out of it if there's someone there to tell him it's wrong

He only grows out of it if there's someone there to tell him it's wrong

Or he'll grow out of it the normal way and immediately stop when he begins to develop and understand the fact that boys and girls are inherently different on some form and he'll create distance on his own through the basic practice of sticking with your own kind until he hits puberty.

http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/HealthTopicDetails.aspx?p=114&np=122&id=1740

Cross dressing that most children do

-Children know by the time they are about three whether they are boys or girls. They can say "I am a boy" or "I am a girl".
-A child does not understand until about the age of six that he or she will always be a boy or a girl. Before that children think their sex can be changed.
-It is usual for preschool boys and girls to dress up in clothes of the other sex as a way of trying out what it is like to be a man or a woman, a father or a mother.
-Generally this kind of cross dressing is part of all of the child's play activities, and not any more important to the child than other play, and children later go on to choose to dress like others of their age and gender.

Dressing up in play like this is a healthy way for young children to learn about and think about the world they live in.

but he didnt "damage" the kid at all. he explained to him what he did was wrong and when it was all over the kid genuinely apologised, gave his father a hug and said "i love you dad". 100% good parenting.

fuck you. dont pretend you were there because youre fucked up and want to justify your degeneracy through my nephew.

You didn't mention any of what the father did other than "He ripped him out for it" which we can only ascertain as "Chewing him out for it", Which is never good for any form of behavior the child may be doing, what you're describing now is completely different.

Furthermore, what constitutes as "Degenerate" behavior? I'm not joking anymore like I usually do about degeneracy in the way Das or Chally might. I only see degenerate behavior in something that actually has negative consequences for society, this does not. Does it really matter? Is it really worth raising an alarm? You can still go to McDonald's and buy your chicken paste nuggets, you can still go and get groceries and gas in the morning without worry. Society isn't going to fall apart over this kind of behavior. In what way is it degenerate, does a word so entrenched in personal beliefs and values have any meaning in a collective of differing views like our society? The answer is not really.

Quote from: Ian on November 03, 2016, 11:20:27 PM

You must have missed the second half of my post. If the father really wanted him to stop he could've done it without emotionally damaging the child along with the risk of just having him be a closet cross dresser. There is tons of evidence on why this is a bad parenting style, the entire issue of teen pregnancy is one caused by this kind of parenting, this is taught in basic college psychology, and everyone has some form of anecdotal evidence proving this fact.

Ignoring the fact that there is nothing wrong with wearing the clothes of the opposite gender. The father could have just as easily just sat him down and calmly told him what he was doing, why it would be a problem, and explain the risks of what he's doing for his age. He could have also just waited it out because he's fucking FOUR, he is more than likely going to grow out of it as soon as he enters the "Girls have cooties" stage which is real soon.

I realize both are family to you, but objectively the father is doing way more damage and has no idea what he's doing.

Quote from: Street Hawk on November 03, 2016, 10:06:40 PM

actually 100% the right thing to do

he shouldnt be stealing and wearing women's underwear

no you actually dont know what youre talking about

yeah there are traumatising ways to teach your kids lessons and that wasnt one of them. trust me ive had a few of my own.

but he didnt "damage" the kid at all. he explained to him what he did was wrong and when it was all over the kid genuinely apologised, gave his father a hug and said "i love you dad". 100% good parenting.

fuck you. dont pretend you were there because youre fucked up and want to justify your degeneracy through my nephew.

You have a real problem with conveying information through text.

Quote from: Infinitely Arctic on November 04, 2016, 06:27:21 AM

He only grows out of it if there's someone there to tell him it's wrong

Or he'll grow out of it the normal way and immediately stop when he begins to develop and understand the fact that boys and girls are inherently different on some form and he'll create distance on his own through the basic practice of sticking with your own kind until he hits puberty.

http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/HealthTopicDetails.aspx?p=114&np=122&id=1740

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Cross dressing that most children do

-Children know by the time they are about three whether they are boys or girls. They can say "I am a boy" or "I am a girl".
-A child does not understand until about the age of six that he or she will always be a boy or a girl. Before that children think their sex can be changed.
-It is usual for preschool boys and girls to dress up in clothes of the other sex as a way of trying out what it is like to be a man or a woman, a father or a mother.
-Generally this kind of cross dressing is part of all of the child's play activities, and not any more important to the child than other play, and children later go on to choose to dress like others of their age and gender.

Dressing up in play like this is a healthy way for young children to learn about and think about the world they live in.

Seeing how that article doesn't actually say what the "normal way of growing out of it" is, I'm left to assume you mean social learning

And social learning involves seeing what behaviors are right and wrong
If you just tell him that crossdressing is ok, how is he ever going to know what is appropriate or not

Quote from: Street Hawk on November 04, 2016, 09:59:50 AM

Quote from: Infinitely Arctic on November 03, 2016, 10:13:05 PM

Quote from: Street Hawk on November 03, 2016, 10:06:40 PM

actually 100% the right thing to do

Make up your fucking mind

what are you talking about

Quote from: Street Hawk on November 03, 2016, 06:36:32 PM

wtf you think im okay with him doing that?

Quote from: Street Hawk on November 03, 2016, 10:06:40 PM

actually 100% the right thing to do

He's expressing the same thing with both of these posts. He's not okay with what his cousin is doing.

He talked about his nephew's habit in the first quote and talked about the father in the second quote.

He'll know it wont be appropriate when he sees other boys only wearing boys clothes and only girls wearing girls clothes. Children are smarter than we think, they can put two and two together easily. He already knows he's a boy, so he'll catch on pretty quickly that those clothes aren't "for him".

When I worked at Disney Springs, I used to be right outside the Princess Boutique where little girls would get to dress up as princesses with dresses and makeup and other overly-priced nonsense. No one ever batted an eye at the occasional little boy wanting to be Anna or Cinderella, because everyone that took a basic psychology class in high school or college knows that it's just childhood playing. The idea that those boys would grow up to become some transgender, or homosexual, or sexual deviant because of that is downright laughable.

This is not as rare as people seem to think it is, it's pretty common. Common enough that I was able to pull up that link immediately from a simple Google search, and common enough to be taught in Psychology courses. The idea that a four year old playing dress up with girls clothes is going to cause serious sexual consequences is simply uneducated.

Seeing how that article doesn't actually say what the "normal way of growing out of it" is, I'm left to assume you mean social learning

And social learning involves seeing what behaviors are right and wrong
If you just tell him that crossdressing is ok, how is he ever going to know what is appropriate or not