Ok here is the news. FN has to contact the ATF and obtain info on what happened. Meanwhile I am stuck in the dark with  money that has been taken from me and not returned to me.

Hopefully they can resolve the issue in a way that lets you keep your firearm.

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Ok here is the news. FN has to contact the ATF and obtain info on what happened. Meanwhile I am stuck in the dark with  money that has been taken from me and not returned to me.

How much was the gun?

$1,100

Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:14:07 PM

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Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:09:37 PM

Ok here is the news. FN has to contact the ATF and obtain info on what happened. Meanwhile I am stuck in the dark with  money that has been taken from me and not returned to me.

How much was the gun?

$1,100

How many guns do you own?

10. Not including the five-seven.

Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:16:31 PM

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Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:14:07 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on April 02, 2015, 01:11:07 PM

Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:09:37 PM

Ok here is the news. FN has to contact the ATF and obtain info on what happened. Meanwhile I am stuck in the dark with  money that has been taken from me and not returned to me.

How much was the gun?

$1,100

How many guns do you own?

10. Not including the five-seven.

Right.

Take 1 gun, that you really particularily enjoy as the tool it is.

Take the other 9. And fucking sell them.

Money back. Problem solved.

thats not how gun owners function

Quote from: Ryle on April 02, 2015, 01:23:08 PM

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Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:14:07 PM

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Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:09:37 PM

Ok here is the news. FN has to contact the ATF and obtain info on what happened. Meanwhile I am stuck in the dark with  money that has been taken from me and not returned to me.

How much was the gun?

$1,100

How many guns do you own?

10. Not including the five-seven.

Right.

Take 1 gun, that you really particularily enjoy as the tool it is.

Take the other 9. And fucking sell them.

Money back. Problem solved.

thats not how gun owners function

Then he's technically making an ass of himself by complaining that he's had money stolen from him and wasted when he owns 10 other guns.

Fuck, nevermind 9 guns. Take the 5 most expensive out of his stockpile and he'd have his money back.

Either sit the fuck down and accept that you already spent 1,100 dollars to add to a pile of guns that will otherwise never be used for their intended purpose as a tool except for only 1 of them at a time, or if he's so flustered about it then make a compromise and sell some excess.

Simple.

That would be offsetting his unfair losses, not getting his money back, since now he's lost the value of the other firearms.

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Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:09:37 PM

Ok here is the news. FN has to contact the ATF and obtain info on what happened. Meanwhile I am stuck in the dark with  money that has been taken from me and not returned to me.

How much was the gun?

$1,100

How many guns do you own?

10. Not including the five-seven.

Right.

Take 1 gun, that you really particularily enjoy as the tool it is.

Take the other 9. And fucking sell them.

Money back. Problem solved.

thats not how gun owners function

Then he's technically making an ass of himself by complaining that he's had money stolen from him and wasted when he owns 10 other guns.

Fuck, nevermind 9 guns. Take the 5 most expensive out of his stockpile and he'd have his money back.

Either sit the fuck down and accept that you already spent 1,100 dollars to add to a pile of guns that will otherwise never be used for their intended purpose as a tool except for only 1 of them at a time, or if he's so flustered about it then make a compromise and sell some excess.

Simple.

That would be offsetting his unfair losses, not getting his money back, since now he's lost the value of the other firearms.

What value exactly? What value is there in owning 10 of something when you only need 1? Maybe 2, a spare for replacement parts.

Are you telling me he's going to make the fullest useage out of 10 guns whether they be for target practice or shooting a person?

No. No he's not.

It's a tube. It shoots metal projectiles at varying distances and speeds.

Pick the most reliable and go.

Of if he's so flustered just go out there and make another 1,100 dollars back. Money's fucking everywhere. Go make some more.

#gunnutproblems

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Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:14:07 PM

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Quote from: AngryBrute on April 02, 2015, 01:09:37 PM

Ok here is the news. FN has to contact the ATF and obtain info on what happened. Meanwhile I am stuck in the dark with  money that has been taken from me and not returned to me.

How much was the gun?

$1,100

How many guns do you own?

10. Not including the five-seven.

Right.

Take 1 gun, that you really particularily enjoy as the tool it is.

Take the other 9. And fucking sell them.

Money back. Problem solved.

thats not how gun owners function

Then he's technically making an ass of himself by complaining that he's had money stolen from him and wasted when he owns 10 other guns.

Fuck, nevermind 9 guns. Take the 5 most expensive out of his stockpile and he'd have his money back.

Either sit the fuck down and accept that you already spent 1,100 dollars to add to a pile of guns that will otherwise never be used for their intended purpose as a tool except for only 1 of them at a time, or if he's so flustered about it then make a compromise and sell some excess.

Simple.

That is the dumbest thing I have seen. Its all one giant assumption. Eaccand every one of those guns has a purpose. I hunt with every single one of them and use some for competition shooting. The pistols are there for self defence since I have a CHL.

You are missing the fact that I am pretty much te victim of a massive fuck up. FN did not responsibly handle their end of the manifacturing of that pistol. And in responce, the ATF took it from me because of it. How would you feel if you spent a lot of money on something, but only to have it take away because the company messed up?

Not only that, but not get it back without a fight.

Okay. Give me a real world example of another object that a company would seize from me. Hang on a sec. There's none that I own that could be seized. And even if they did, everything I own could all be bought back. They could literally walk up to me and take my truck for whatever reason and I would go out and find another.

1,100 is nothing brute.

It's practically toilet paper in regards to spending money. And if you're upset about selling your collection then go out there, pick a fucking job and get your money back.

And you already spent that money so it's already technically gone.

You took that money, and gave it away so why should you suddenly feel cheated of your money when you already gave it away willingly in the first place? Shit breaks. Shit can be faulty made. That gun of yours that was taken could break down one day and technically you'd be in the exact same position.

Without that gun.

It's 1000 fucking dollars. Give me a break. If you want to cry foul about ripoffs turn your attention to mechanic garage prices. Or coffee prices. Restaurant food supply prices. Food supply prices in general. Gas prices.

Long story short, you got your shit taken from you. Perhaps not broken but in concept it's the same affair anyway. Just like I had one bike stolen as a kid. One bike vandilized as a teen. A destroyed tranny in my truck. A deceased chainsaw engine.

I spent the money knowing that at one point there was a possibility one day I'd no longer have the services of such items through whatever means.

Pack your bags and move on.

sandtrap it's a hobby not a basic need

I know the floods hobbies consist of watching Chinese cartoons and playing with their $2000 pixel machines but this is different

Wow so many attacks from so many dickheads ITT. Well hopefully you get this resolved. Good luck Brute.

Dear God your post is bull shit.

Think about it.

What makes it any more different than if your gun was broken?

If you spent money on that gun, and it broke, you technically wouldn't have that gun now would you? You'd either spend money to repair it, or in the easiest case, just buy another one.

Of course it's an obvious hassle when a company makes a fuck up and you lose out because of it. But are you seriously that naive regarding companies? They're not big on handouts. And they really, really fucking hate refunds.

You practically have to wring thier necks for a penny back. I've dealt with this shit before regarding insurance companies, my bank, and even a chainsaw company.

Honestly? Just cut your losses. It's 1000 dollars. Are you aware, of how easy it is to go out, and make that back?

Or you can go through customer service minefields and that whole bullshit train, a literal waste of time on your part that would probably make excess stress for no real reason.

Okay. You spent 30,000 on something and got fucked? That's something to be upset about. Not 1000 dollars.

Sorry but that is still bull shit. $1000 is $1000. Sorry that I may not be so fortunate that it wont effect me. But im not. I worked my ass off to save up for that. So spare me the whole its not a big deal crap.

Sorry but that is still bull shit. $1000 is $1000. Sorry that I may not be so fortunate that it wont effect me. But im not. I worked my ass off to save up for that. So spare me the whole its not a big deal crap.

Okay. Question.

Would it be any different if you worked your ass off to save up for that and it broke? Warranties and those extra services aside. Here's an example.

I bought my truck for a square 2000 dollars. It took me at least a good year to save that up. Approximately five months into its lifespan in my ownership, the tranny blew on it. The mechanics gave me a 1700 dollar rough estimate to fix that.

Does something like that suck? Absolutely. But I spent the money to fix it. I took it to another mechanic, told him to work on it in his spare time, and when he was done, to call me. When he did, finally call me, I had the money to pay for it.

This is of course a different scenario. But the concept is the same. If somebody seized my tuck, I'd be without it. If my truck broke, I'd be without it. Same as your gun.

Regardless of the scenarios, whether it be seized, or broken. I would have spent more money anyway.

If it was seized, I would have done my best to see if I could get it back or some form of compensation and used that to buy something else. And if not. Make more money and go buy a replacement.

If it was broken? Spend more money to fix it anyway since I already threw 2000 down on it to purchase it.

No matter what you do you end up spending anyway in every single scenario.

Listen. I know it blows to save up for something and then have something like that happen. Practically everything around me breaks all the fucking time after I buy something new. Ovens. Reverse Osmosis machine. You name it.

And I realize it's my mindset here that's hostile to you. Because I don't particularily care about money because it's all around you, it's there to be made if you go out and get it, and it's sole purpose is to be spent. When it's spent, it's spent.

I do apologize if I seemed hostile, or if it seemed like a bunch of bullshit to you. But when you actually break it down, no matter which way you go here, whether or not you get that 1000 bucks back, it'll just be spent, I'd bet my hat on it, on another gun to replace the one lost.

Dealing with companies is bullshit. I do wish you the best with the affair.

Just move.