Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 11:55:43 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 02, 2015, 11:53:15 AMQuote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 11:33:04 AMcontrary to common misconceptions, feminism is not about “man hating” or “female supremacy.” it should beWell that's dumb. Come on Class. Ya'll know better than that.do I sandDo I
Quote from: SecondClass on December 02, 2015, 11:53:15 AMQuote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 11:33:04 AMcontrary to common misconceptions, feminism is not about “man hating” or “female supremacy.” it should beWell that's dumb. Come on Class. Ya'll know better than that.
Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 11:33:04 AMcontrary to common misconceptions, feminism is not about “man hating” or “female supremacy.” it should be
contrary to common misconceptions, feminism is not about “man hating” or “female supremacy.”
Who cares if society thinks they can't do math?
Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:06:36 PMQuote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 12:05:00 PMHow about the dads who beat their kids because of it? Or other kids? They beat you up because you cry.I'd have to see the numbers.Well that's even fucking worse.There's some magic number that means it can be constituted as oppression? So you'd tell me childhood doesn't count as oppression because of a number margin. Or the the stuff I've seen in other people's lives too.Oh ya, let's talk about exploitation too.Male child soldiers in third world countries. They're picked to be soldiers because they're guys.For a guy who takes a lot of emphasis on 100% in things, shunting the bad shit that happens to guys as "not oppression" because it happens in a lower or different frequency, is, to put it politely, dun goofing of you.
Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 12:05:00 PMHow about the dads who beat their kids because of it? Or other kids? They beat you up because you cry.I'd have to see the numbers.
How about the dads who beat their kids because of it? Or other kids? They beat you up because you cry.
This appeal to bigger problems is the exact argument feminists fight when people belittle their claim of oppression.
There's some magic number that means it can be constituted as oppression?
Male child soldiers in third world countries.
Quote from: Christmas dinner = Murder on December 02, 2015, 12:08:59 PMThis appeal to bigger problems is the exact argument feminists fight when people belittle their claim of oppression.It's not an appeal to bigger problems.It's an appeal to correct word usage.
Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 12:10:38 PMThere's some magic number that means it can be constituted as oppression? Well... yeah. Considering we're talking about systemic oppression of an entire gender. I thought that's what we were talking about, anyway. Apparently men are beaten if they cry, or something.I haven't heard of this ever happening, so I'd just like to see the numbers to see if they're more than just isolated incidents committed by crazy anomalies.QuoteMale child soldiers in third world countries. We're not talking about third world countries. Well, I'm not.It's a whole different ball park in third world countries.
You can't say women are oppressed
Quote from: Christmas dinner = Murder on December 02, 2015, 12:33:59 PMYou can't say women are oppressedI alread don't. I use words like "exploitation"--I never use words like oppression, because it's just inappropriate to use when referring to a 21st century 1st world country, in my opinion. For both genders.
Quote“Men are NOT exploited or [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] by sexism, but there are ways in which WE suffer as a result of it.”We are taught early on that “boys don’t cry,” that to show sensitivity or emotional vulnerability is a sign of weakness. Men are discouraged from practicing nurturing, caregiving, compassion and compromise for the same reason. So there is an enormous amount of pressure placed on men to “prove our manhood” by acting tough, projecting strength and repressing our emotions so as to appear in control at all times. This is compounded by the fact that men are often more admired for being aggressive, dominant and violent than for being cooperative, vulnerable or empathetic. Not only is all of this damaging behavior encouraged in individual men, but those same values are also reflected in our larger political and military institutions, often to disastrous effect."Men aren't [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] or exploited; here's a list of ways in which men are [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] and exploited."Isn't it fun when people insult your intelligence?
“Men are NOT exploited or [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] by sexism, but there are ways in which WE suffer as a result of it.”We are taught early on that “boys don’t cry,” that to show sensitivity or emotional vulnerability is a sign of weakness. Men are discouraged from practicing nurturing, caregiving, compassion and compromise for the same reason. So there is an enormous amount of pressure placed on men to “prove our manhood” by acting tough, projecting strength and repressing our emotions so as to appear in control at all times. This is compounded by the fact that men are often more admired for being aggressive, dominant and violent than for being cooperative, vulnerable or empathetic. Not only is all of this damaging behavior encouraged in individual men, but those same values are also reflected in our larger political and military institutions, often to disastrous effect.
How then are women oppressed?
"Men aren't [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] or exploited; here's a list of ways in which men are [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] and exploited."Isn't it fun when people insult your intelligence?
Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: eggsalad on December 02, 2015, 12:10:25 PMHow then are women oppressed?I don't think they are. Just exploited.By who?
Quote from: eggsalad on December 02, 2015, 12:10:25 PMHow then are women oppressed?I don't think they are. Just exploited.
Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:54:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 12:53:10 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: eggsalad on December 02, 2015, 12:10:25 PMHow then are women oppressed?I don't think they are. Just exploited.By who?The media, in particular.How?
Quote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 12:53:10 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: eggsalad on December 02, 2015, 12:10:25 PMHow then are women oppressed?I don't think they are. Just exploited.By who?The media, in particular.
Quote from: Christmas dinner = Murder on December 02, 2015, 12:43:29 PM"Men aren't [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] or exploited; here's a list of ways in which men are [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] and exploited."Isn't it fun when people insult your intelligence?You're moving his goalposts there. I've never seen anyone try that before.
Try what? You argued that the word 'oppression' isn't accurate, so I just replaced it with a phrase that's more precise but less dramatic.
Quote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 12:55:06 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:54:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 12:53:10 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: eggsalad on December 02, 2015, 12:10:25 PMHow then are women oppressed?I don't think they are. Just exploited.By who?The media, in particular.How?Are you blind?Sexual objectification.
Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:56:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 12:55:06 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:54:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 12:53:10 PMQuote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: eggsalad on December 02, 2015, 12:10:25 PMHow then are women oppressed?I don't think they are. Just exploited.By who?The media, in particular.How?Are you blind?Sexual objectification.Why is it a bad thing women are sexualized in media? What's the problem?
Josh McIntosh - "5 Ways Men Can Help End Sexism"
