I mean obviously id like to find the robin williams from good will hunting of psychologists but until that point Ehh
It's actually not that far of base. A ton of problems with people have to do with their parents or stuff that happened to them when they were young. and a lot of times it's something with your family. You really have to keep an open mind...
Quote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 12:50:05 AM"im different"no, you're notyou're not some special little snowflake that no one can truly understandthat's nothing but a teenage mentality
"im different"
Quote from: Peach Turquoise on January 26, 2016, 12:38:35 AMone day fruitone day
one day fruit
Telling him to get help is counterproductive. What could a shrink tell him? Let his guard down? Some other pie in the sky bullshit? I've been to more than a few. They all read the same textbooks and give minor variations on the same shit. At the end of the day it comes down to Eli. Their advice boils down to telling a homeless person to get a job as a stockbroker buy a mansion. What he needs is to just find someone who's there tomorrow. Not necessarily next week. Just tomorrow. Relearn self worth. If she's good enough for longer, great. If not, then oh well. She'll get someone tomorrow and so will he. We're all broken. The game is just making tomorrow livable.
Quote from: TBlocks on January 26, 2016, 01:02:50 AMIt's actually not that far of base. A ton of problems with people have to do with their parents or stuff that happened to them when they were young. and a lot of times it's something with your family. You really have to keep an open mind...Except the psychologist jumped to that conclusion from the first thing said. Like, made a conclusion based on an opening sentence.
Telling him to get help is counterproductive. What could a shrink tell him? Let his guard down? Some other pie in the sky bullshit? I've been to more than a few. They all read the same textbooks and give minor variations on the same shit. At the end of the day it comes down to Eli. Their advice boils down to telling a homeless person to get a job as a stockbroker buy a mansion.
Quote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 01:00:41 AMQuote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 12:58:15 AMQuote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 12:53:37 AMOr maybe not. Maybe they were telling you the truth."Why did you want to come see a psychologist after all this time?""I really want to figure out what's wrong with me on a fundamental level so that I can do well in school, set up a bright future for myself and increase my level of communication and friendliness with my friends, peers and family. I don't want to waste my parents time or money.""Oh, so this is all about your parents, is it?"QuoteOne thing however, is that with docs, you need to voice your point very clearly.Well thats one of my problems yeah. I feel like im talking some basic shit but people dont understand what im saying. Its infuriating.What you just posted up there is a really poor example. Dude, the first place you look is the parents. Then you look at the childhood.Parents, whether they're there or not, give, fuck.... 90% of your traits to you.Well im actually very different from my parents. Like, so much so that they used to joke that i was adopted.But besides that, how do you get "its your parents fault" from what i saidThats LITERALLY how it went down
Quote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 12:58:15 AMQuote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 12:53:37 AMOr maybe not. Maybe they were telling you the truth."Why did you want to come see a psychologist after all this time?""I really want to figure out what's wrong with me on a fundamental level so that I can do well in school, set up a bright future for myself and increase my level of communication and friendliness with my friends, peers and family. I don't want to waste my parents time or money.""Oh, so this is all about your parents, is it?"QuoteOne thing however, is that with docs, you need to voice your point very clearly.Well thats one of my problems yeah. I feel like im talking some basic shit but people dont understand what im saying. Its infuriating.What you just posted up there is a really poor example. Dude, the first place you look is the parents. Then you look at the childhood.Parents, whether they're there or not, give, fuck.... 90% of your traits to you.
Quote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 12:53:37 AMOr maybe not. Maybe they were telling you the truth."Why did you want to come see a psychologist after all this time?""I really want to figure out what's wrong with me on a fundamental level so that I can do well in school, set up a bright future for myself and increase my level of communication and friendliness with my friends, peers and family. I don't want to waste my parents time or money.""Oh, so this is all about your parents, is it?"QuoteOne thing however, is that with docs, you need to voice your point very clearly.Well thats one of my problems yeah. I feel like im talking some basic shit but people dont understand what im saying. Its infuriating.
Or maybe not. Maybe they were telling you the truth.
One thing however, is that with docs, you need to voice your point very clearly.
Quote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 01:01:14 AMI mean obviously id like to find the robin williams from good will hunting of psychologists but until that point EhhCare to deconstruct the logic on that one? Your're not willing to bother with psyches anymore but you're hoping on finding a good one.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 26, 2016, 01:05:07 AMQuote from: TBlocks on January 26, 2016, 01:02:50 AMIt's actually not that far of base. A ton of problems with people have to do with their parents or stuff that happened to them when they were young. and a lot of times it's something with your family. You really have to keep an open mind...Except the psychologist jumped to that conclusion from the first thing said. Like, made a conclusion based on an opening sentence.Well yeah that's on them but the thing is what do you do after that? Do you get offended and never see a psych. again? Or do you continue on and say "I don't think that's the reason. Here's why."
Quote from: Kirlia on January 26, 2016, 12:49:39 AMbecome enamoured in facets of that person which you do not understand instead of focusing on things you have in common.You'll find the joy of discovering a person is more powerful than cold comfort gleaned by being in synchronicity with another.Thats all well n good but you need to connect with someome on some level to be even just friends with emIts also pretty clear to me that the opposite attract theory of tomance is dogshitAdditionally, thanks for being somewhat serious. Though, i think youre being a bit childish when you call me unintelligent just cuz we disagree.
become enamoured in facets of that person which you do not understand instead of focusing on things you have in common.You'll find the joy of discovering a person is more powerful than cold comfort gleaned by being in synchronicity with another.
Quote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 01:02:43 AMQuote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 01:00:41 AMQuote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 12:58:15 AMQuote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 12:53:37 AMOr maybe not. Maybe they were telling you the truth."Why did you want to come see a psychologist after all this time?""I really want to figure out what's wrong with me on a fundamental level so that I can do well in school, set up a bright future for myself and increase my level of communication and friendliness with my friends, peers and family. I don't want to waste my parents time or money.""Oh, so this is all about your parents, is it?"QuoteOne thing however, is that with docs, you need to voice your point very clearly.Well thats one of my problems yeah. I feel like im talking some basic shit but people dont understand what im saying. Its infuriating.What you just posted up there is a really poor example. Dude, the first place you look is the parents. Then you look at the childhood.Parents, whether they're there or not, give, fuck.... 90% of your traits to you.Well im actually very different from my parents. Like, so much so that they used to joke that i was adopted.But besides that, how do you get "its your parents fault" from what i saidThats LITERALLY how it went downSee. Bingo. You're quick to judge and extremely quick on the defense.For starters, I never said it was your parent's fault. Nor insinuated it. But that is always the first place you look for clues in order to start deconstructing. Second. Just because you're different for your parents doesn't mean that you didn't get that from them.For example. Say somebody has an asshole father. They might grow up to be a picture image of their father. But sometimes, you get people who are driven to go the opposite path because of the example set. There's variables here.The key with docs is to talk. Over and over again. And try to break things down.I won't lie. The field is plauged with shitty docs. If you're an american then chances are you're gonna get a bad roll because your medical system is literally pants on head retarded that way. But don't discredit right away. It takes time.
Quote from: TBlocks on January 26, 2016, 01:07:59 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 26, 2016, 01:05:07 AMQuote from: TBlocks on January 26, 2016, 01:02:50 AMIt's actually not that far of base. A ton of problems with people have to do with their parents or stuff that happened to them when they were young. and a lot of times it's something with your family. You really have to keep an open mind...Except the psychologist jumped to that conclusion from the first thing said. Like, made a conclusion based on an opening sentence.Well yeah that's on them but the thing is what do you do after that? Do you get offended and never see a psych. again? Or do you continue on and say "I don't think that's the reason. Here's why."You insult me tristanI didnt make a rash decision after one meeting. I met with them for months. And nothing came out of it.
For starters, I never said it was your parent's fault. Nor insinuated it. But that is always the first place you look for clues in order to start deconstructing.
See. Bingo. You're quick to judge and extremely quick on the defense.
For starters, I never said it was your parent's fault.
I won't lie. The field is plauged with shitty docs. If you're an american then chances are you're gonna get a bad roll because your medical system is literally pants on head retarded that way. But don't discredit right away. It takes time.
Quote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 12:53:21 AMQuote from: Kirlia on January 26, 2016, 12:49:39 AMbecome enamoured in facets of that person which you do not understand instead of focusing on things you have in common.You'll find the joy of discovering a person is more powerful than cold comfort gleaned by being in synchronicity with another.Thats all well n good but you need to connect with someome on some level to be even just friends with emIts also pretty clear to me that the opposite attract theory of tomance is dogshitAdditionally, thanks for being somewhat serious. Though, i think youre being a bit childish when you call me unintelligent just cuz we disagree.If you find contentment in what you have in common with others, then you are not a creature of ambition, and it is not high intelligence, but arrogance which prevents you from connecting with others.If that is the case, then humble yourself before others, that they may better convey themselves to you.
Okay. Let's slow the train down here. For starters I don't know quite what we're talking about here. I need some context. I'm tired and my eyes are bleeding. I'm not gonna go through that many pages.Can you give me a quick summary?I'm no specialist, but hey. Let's give it a shot. Discussion always lands somewhere.
Quote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 01:14:10 AMOkay. Let's slow the train down here. For starters I don't know quite what we're talking about here. I need some context. I'm tired and my eyes are bleeding. I'm not gonna go through that many pages.Can you give me a quick summary?I'm no specialist, but hey. Let's give it a shot. Discussion always lands somewhere.Short and sweet:The psychologist didn't say "so tell me about your parents" like psychologists do, implying he wants to get information.He said "ok, so this is all about your parents is it?"He made a conclusion.
Quote from: Kirlia on January 26, 2016, 01:11:37 AMQuote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 12:53:21 AMQuote from: Kirlia on January 26, 2016, 12:49:39 AMbecome enamoured in facets of that person which you do not understand instead of focusing on things you have in common.You'll find the joy of discovering a person is more powerful than cold comfort gleaned by being in synchronicity with another.Thats all well n good but you need to connect with someome on some level to be even just friends with emIts also pretty clear to me that the opposite attract theory of tomance is dogshitAdditionally, thanks for being somewhat serious. Though, i think youre being a bit childish when you call me unintelligent just cuz we disagree.If you find contentment in what you have in common with others, then you are not a creature of ambition, and it is not high intelligence, but arrogance which prevents you from connecting with others.If that is the case, then humble yourself before others, that they may better convey themselves to you.I never said it was high intelligence that doesnt allow me to connecy with othersTheres a ton of different reasons i dont connect with oeopleArrogance may be one of them, sureBut its not the maon reasonAnyways im not really interested in discussing this with you
Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 26, 2016, 01:17:49 AMQuote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 01:14:10 AMOkay. Let's slow the train down here. For starters I don't know quite what we're talking about here. I need some context. I'm tired and my eyes are bleeding. I'm not gonna go through that many pages.Can you give me a quick summary?I'm no specialist, but hey. Let's give it a shot. Discussion always lands somewhere.Short and sweet:The psychologist didn't say "so tell me about your parents" like psychologists do, implying he wants to get information.He said "ok, so this is all about your parents is it?"He made a conclusion.No you dope. What is eli's issue? Why is he going to see psych's in the first place?
Quote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 01:17:07 AMQuote from: Kirlia on January 26, 2016, 01:11:37 AMQuote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 12:53:21 AMQuote from: Kirlia on January 26, 2016, 12:49:39 AMbecome enamoured in facets of that person which you do not understand instead of focusing on things you have in common.You'll find the joy of discovering a person is more powerful than cold comfort gleaned by being in synchronicity with another.Thats all well n good but you need to connect with someome on some level to be even just friends with emIts also pretty clear to me that the opposite attract theory of tomance is dogshitAdditionally, thanks for being somewhat serious. Though, i think youre being a bit childish when you call me unintelligent just cuz we disagree.If you find contentment in what you have in common with others, then you are not a creature of ambition, and it is not high intelligence, but arrogance which prevents you from connecting with others.If that is the case, then humble yourself before others, that they may better convey themselves to you.I never said it was high intelligence that doesnt allow me to connecy with othersTheres a ton of different reasons i dont connect with oeopleArrogance may be one of them, sureBut its not the maon reasonAnyways im not really interested in discussing this with youAdvice you don't want to hear I the best advice you can take.Also, don't complain your level of intelligence is "awkward" and then say that it doesn't make it hard for you to connect with others.See this is the reason shrinks didn't work for you, you're so adamant about being complicated and saying that nobody could possibly understand you that when somebody gets it on the nose, you don't want to believe it.
Quote from: Eli on January 26, 2016, 01:07:37 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on January 26, 2016, 01:02:55 AMTelling him to get help is counterproductive. What could a shrink tell him? Let his guard down? Some other pie in the sky bullshit? I've been to more than a few. They all read the same textbooks and give minor variations on the same shit. At the end of the day it comes down to Eli. Their advice boils down to telling a homeless person to get a job as a stockbroker buy a mansion. What he needs is to just find someone who's there tomorrow. Not necessarily next week. Just tomorrow. Relearn self worth. If she's good enough for longer, great. If not, then oh well. She'll get someone tomorrow and so will he. We're all broken. The game is just making tomorrow livable.YEAHwooTread carefully, 'ol Charles is one of the people that encouraged Roman.We all know how that went.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on January 26, 2016, 01:02:55 AMTelling him to get help is counterproductive. What could a shrink tell him? Let his guard down? Some other pie in the sky bullshit? I've been to more than a few. They all read the same textbooks and give minor variations on the same shit. At the end of the day it comes down to Eli. Their advice boils down to telling a homeless person to get a job as a stockbroker buy a mansion. What he needs is to just find someone who's there tomorrow. Not necessarily next week. Just tomorrow. Relearn self worth. If she's good enough for longer, great. If not, then oh well. She'll get someone tomorrow and so will he. We're all broken. The game is just making tomorrow livable.YEAHwoo
Quote from: Sandtrap on January 26, 2016, 01:14:10 AMOkay. Let's slow the train down here. For starters I don't know quite what we're talking about here. I need some context. I'm tired and my eyes are bleeding. I'm not gonna go through that many pages.Can you give me a quick summary?I'm no specialist, but hey. Let's give it a shot. Discussion always lands somewhere.Ill do my best but im on mobile.It's been a long time since I've been loved. I've been in varying degrees of romantic periods individually but I haven't had my love reciprocated in a very long time, and this just dawned on me. I want someone to love, who also loves me, so that I have a reason to get up in the morning (see, a purpose). That purpose being, to provide for them. That obligation will force me to get my life together. I also said I hate myself and want someone who loves me to tell me why they do. Additionally, though i havent said it yet, i believe that the human experience is not genuine if you arent depressed. I believe depression is unfiltered reality, and that getting over it is fine and all but its fleeting. The Human condition is defined by suffering.