It's been so long since my romantic feelings have been verbally reciprocated.

 
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Eh, I've never felt the feeling. I'm pretty much at that point where I really don't even know what to do. Here I am 24 and never been with anyone, so I'm without experience. I have thought about apps like tinder, but the fact that you need a facebook is a no no for me. In teaching, you have to have that whole professional looking thing going on and using it seems like a liability. Would also consider using grindr, but I live in a small enough city the everyone knows each other and I don't want to come out as bi.

That sucks dude. As a guy at 17 whos had really bad luck in that department, i really dread that happening to me. (No offense)

I dont want to get to the point where im just at home, 24/7 with no social prospects and no experience
None taken, trust me, I beat myself up more than anyone on here could. It just sucks thinking about it because now all my peers are all people who have experience and expectations and most likely I won't be able to compare should I ever have the chance to be with someone.

I wish there was something i could do for you. I really do. Its like this slippery slope bullshit. You dont have any experience because you didnt get it earlier, but it feels like its too late to start now so you postpone it even further


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Can't make a woman your purpose. It's very appealing but I've learned the hard way.

Why not? I see no problems with one's life goal being to provide for their wife and family.

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The way you feel is almost identical to Roman. You guys just come across in slightly different ways, but To me I see how similar your guy's posts are

Ugh not cool bro

There's nothing wrong with being a romantic
The thing is, making a woman your priority is nice in theory, but it doesn't work in real life. All you do is weakening yourself and cheating your love out of an authentic man that will give her everything she needs and more. Both of you will be dissatisfied in a relationship where you make her your purpose. I see it all the time. I have LOTS of anecdotal experience. You guys think I only try to fuck girls/am a horny pig ect. but I actually have more platonic female friends than male friends. I get a huge look into the mindset of girls. Women just don't like when guys make them the priority, even though it seems like she should love it. It turns her away from you.

Find meaning in it for you then. I'm not going to argue philosophies, that's not what I'm here for.

And you and Roman are very similar in this way: Both of you try to fill the void inside of you with women. You both believe a loving woman will fill the emptiness you feel, that it'll all "finally be perfect" once you find the perfect girl ect. Roman does it by trying to have sex with many of them(side effect of being a virgin kinda later in life) and you want to give yourself up to a woman. But it won't change things. If anything, you'd both be leaving these women worse off because they feed off the desperation of Roman and your yearning for love.

I know it's really hard, but you need to find a passion dude. Something you're extremely interested in and devote yourself to it completely. That will fulfill you, and a loving woman will come.


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You're better off without it man. Learn to love yourself first, and love with another will be more fulfilling.

Its impossible to love myself. I hate myself. And so do most people.

Which is kinda the problem. Maybe if someone ever does love me again they can tell me how.
That should be like your character arc.


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Eh, I've never felt the feeling. I'm pretty much at that point where I really don't even know what to do. Here I am 24 and never been with anyone, so I'm without experience. I have thought about apps like tinder, but the fact that you need a facebook is a no no for me. In teaching, you have to have that whole professional looking thing going on and using it seems like a liability. Would also consider using grindr, but I live in a small enough city the everyone knows each other and I don't want to come out as bi.

That sucks dude. As a guy at 17 whos had really bad luck in that department, i really dread that happening to me. (No offense)

I dont want to get to the point where im just at home, 24/7 with no social prospects and no experience
None taken, trust me, I beat myself up more than anyone on here could. It just sucks thinking about it because now all my peers are all people who have experience and expectations and most likely I won't be able to compare should I ever have the chance to be with someone.
Tell me your situation too fella and I will try to help/offer advice


 
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Women just don't like when guys make them the priority, even though it seems like she should love it. It turns her away from you.

These are not the kind of women I fall in love with.

Besides. I know what kind of a man I am in a relationship. I'm a natural in that department. I know how to keep a girl interested.


 
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You're better off without it man. Learn to love yourself first, and love with another will be more fulfilling.

Its impossible to love myself. I hate myself. And so do most people.

Which is kinda the problem. Maybe if someone ever does love me again they can tell me how.
That should be like your character arc.

What do you mean


 
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And its not that i dont believe you or anything, its just that dont trust your judgement. I havent met very many people like me so its hard to use their advice when it is so often unapplicable to me
What's there not to trust about the idea that learning to love yourself will vastly improve your life in all ways? You don't hate yourself, you're happy with your own company, and life overall is more pleasant when you're not constantly holding things against yourself. Seriously think about it, you're walking around every day with all this baggage, and when you let it go it's like the skies clear up and you can see the sunlight again.

It's not that I don't believe you when you say "Life is better when you don't hate yourself", it's that I don't believe you when you say "It's not impossible"


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You're better off without it man. Learn to love yourself first, and love with another will be more fulfilling.

Its impossible to love myself. I hate myself. And so do most people.

Which is kinda the problem. Maybe if someone ever does love me again they can tell me how.
That should be like your character arc.

What do you mean
Like at the end you get to love yourself because you find someone super special.


 
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Bro all I'm saying is that you need to find a way to be happy just with yourself. You don't need someone else for that.

Easier said than done. But thanks anyways


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You're better off without it man. Learn to love yourself first, and love with another will be more fulfilling.

Its impossible to love myself. I hate myself. And so do most people.

Which is kinda the problem. Maybe if someone ever does love me again they can tell me how.
That should be like your character arc.

What do you mean
Like at the end you get to love yourself because you find someone super special.

Can you write my life story pls


 
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Some people laughed at the beginning of this thread but i know deep down some of you guys get where im coming from

(Looking at you jim.)


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Women just don't like when guys make them the priority, even though it seems like she should love it. It turns her away from you.

These are not the kind of women I fall in love with.

Besides. I know what kind of a man I am in a relationship. I'm a natural in that department. I know how to keep a girl interested.
It will eventually ruin your relationship and leave you worse off, especially if you depend of her so much for your happiness. You will be an absolute wreck. Don't be like Roman and deny anything you don't want to hear brah


 
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It's only impossible because you're telling yourself it is.

I hate my sense of humour, my habitual tendencies, the way i speak, my inability to connect with people, my physique, my voice, my awkward level of intelligence... none of which I can change.


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It's only impossible because you're telling yourself it is.

I hate my sense of humour, my habitual tendencies, the way i speak, my inability to connect with people, my physique, my voice, my awkward level of intelligence... none of which I can change.
What are your reasons for hating those things?

Example: "I hate my voice because it's too high"



 
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It's only impossible because you're telling yourself it is.

I hate my sense of humour
, my habitual tendencies,
 the way i speak,
 my inability to connect with people,
 my physique
, my voice,
 my awkward level of intelligence... none of which I can change.
Can be changed
Elaborate
Elaborate
That takes work... sort of
Why?
Why?
A gift tbh. I know it's weird but you have to find some kind of meaning and use it for good.


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You could probably practice public speaking to help you speak more in a way you like. Just gotta get your confidence up fam. A lot of relationships never got off the ground because both people were too shy to make a move despite liking the other.


 
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It will eventually ruin your relationship and leave you worse off, especially if you depend of her so much for your happiness.

It's not that I depend on her for happiness, it's that I depend on her for purpose. That purpose being, that I have an obligation to take care of her and our family, incentivising me to pull my life together and get shit done.

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You will be an absolute wreck. Don't be like Roman and deny anything you don't want to hear brah

I'm not denying anything. In most cases, you're probably right.

But I am not most cases and neither are the women I happen to fall in love with. Not all women work the same, just like you and I don't work the same. I think it's a bit unfair of you to paint all women the way you are (if thats what youre doing).


 
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lmao

What's so funny
this whiny thread that no one cares about

What I find funny is that these are the exact kinds of threads you make whenever you resurface.
literally what

I'd never make a thread where I'm literally just whining that girls don't like me

Like, you don't have a girlfriend. Get over it, we don't care
I think he meant more in general.
Not just girls.
He literally put "romantic" in the title


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You're better off without it man. Learn to love yourself first, and love with another will be more fulfilling.

Its impossible to love myself. I hate myself. And so do most people.

Which is kinda the problem. Maybe if someone ever does love me again they can tell me how.
That should be like your character arc.

What do you mean
Like at the end you get to love yourself because you find someone super special.

Can you write my life story pls
Oh, I'm flattered.


 
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lmao

What's so funny
this whiny thread that no one cares about

What I find funny is that these are the exact kinds of threads you make whenever you resurface.
literally what

I'd never make a thread where I'm literally just whining that girls don't like me

Like, you don't have a girlfriend. Get over it, we don't care
I think he meant more in general.
Not just girls.
He literally put "romantic" in the title
Ah true.
I know the guy irl so it's probable I knew what he meant regardless. Anywho, carry on.


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That's the way things were for 6 years with ex-Mrs Charlie.

We said I love you, but it was hollow. That's why I was on b.net so much.


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It's only impossible because you're telling yourself it is.

I hate my sense of humour, my habitual tendencies, the way i speak, my inability to connect with people, my physique, my voice, my awkward level of intelligence... none of which I can change.
What are your reasons for hating those things?

Example: "I hate my voice because it's too high"

Humour: because it's esoteric and often childish or unintelligent
Habits: i clench my jaw a lot. Grind my teeth too. It gives me head aches.
The way I speak: it's often hard to follow my train of thought for some reason, even though to me it feels like im just saying the most basic things ever. Makes it hard for people to empathise or sympathise with me (you can see it in this thread, even)
My physique: i just dont like it, idk
My voice: i just find my own voice annoying.
Intelligence: im at this weird level where i'm smarter than most people i talk to but not smart enough to play ball with the people who are "speaking my language", if that makes any sense


 
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It's only impossible because you're telling yourself it is.

I hate my sense of humour
, my habitual tendencies,
 the way i speak,
 my inability to connect with people,
 my physique
, my voice,
 my awkward level of intelligence... none of which I can change.
Can be changed
Elaborate
Elaborate
That takes work... sort of
Why?
Why?
A gift tbh. I know it's weird but you have to find some kind of meaning and use it for good.

See my response to jive


 
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You could probably practice public speaking to help you speak more in a way you like. Just gotta get your confidence up fam. A lot of relationships never got off the ground because both people were too shy to make a move despite liking the other.

I definitely definitely definitely dont lack confidence. Its not that.

Im also not particularly shy either. Im one of those guys thatll just be straight up when i like someone and start making moves immediately (unless there's something in the way, like, a boyfriend. Then i dont do anything but casual talk every once in awhile)


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It's only impossible because you're telling yourself it is.

I hate my sense of humour, my habitual tendencies, the way i speak, my inability to connect with people, my physique, my voice, my awkward level of intelligence... none of which I can change.
What are your reasons for hating those things?

Example: "I hate my voice because it's too high"

Humour: because it's esoteric and often childish or unintelligent
Habits: i clench my jaw a lot. Grind my teeth too. It gives me head aches.
The way I speak: it's often hard to follow my train of thought for some reason, even though to me it feels like im just saying the most basic things ever. Makes it hard for people to empathise or sympathise with me (you can see it in this thread, even)
My physique: i just dont like it, idk
My voice: i just find my own voice annoying.
Intelligence: im at this weird level where i'm smarter than most people i talk to but not smart enough to play ball with the people who are "speaking my language", if that makes any sense
This is going to sound cliche as fuck but all of those things are what make you special, and you can improve them too. I have a ton of resources I can lead you to that I've collected over the years that will definitely improve your self image dude.

It sounds cheesy but I believe self-improvement will help you so much. I truly believe my deep involvement in self improvement material from ages 14-now set the base for my impenetrable wall of self confidence. Completely serious not trying to flex, I love myself so much and I'm surprised at how a lot of people I talk to don't feel the same way about themselves. If you want me to go through the effort I'll link some stuff bro but only if you'll actually look into it.


 
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I'm being completely serious here.
Find a good therapist and talk to them about this kind of stuff.

I've been to many, I just don't find them to be of any use. Most of the time I feel like I'm wasting my time because these people don't know what they're doing.

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Humor is subjective

Well I mean, yeah, but what's that got to do with anything.

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Habits can be changed

I know but I'm more angry at the fact that I do them naturally.

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Manner of speech is probably just a nuance you're obsessing over

It admittedly has gotten a lot better.

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Socialization skills can be improved

It's not that im unable to socialize (cuz i can be charming when i want to), its just that i have trouble connecting with other people and vice versa becauze the angle at which i look at life is so different from them that its almost alien.

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Physique can be improved

Not really. Muscle tone isnt really what im talking about.

[quote₩You're depressed, and it's made yourself your own worst critic and enemy.
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I thought about all of this before i became depressed tho


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I definitely definitely definitely dont lack confidence. Its not that.

Im also not particularly shy either. Im one of those guys thatll just be straight up when i like someone and start making moves immediately (unless there's something in the way, like, a boyfriend. Then i dont do anything but casual talk every once in awhile)
I'm gonna echo Nuka here and suggest you talk to a Psych. In fact I'd suggest it to like half the users here tbh


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