You don't do drugs, good for you. Now if you would quit being an asshole maybe people would tell you that without you having to demand it.

except they won't because that's just not what people do

i don't actually care if anyone congratulates me for not doing drugs, i just think it's RETARDED to congratulate drug addicts for solving a problem that they create for themselves out of weakness and stupidity

if anything, they should be mocked and belittled for it for the rest of their lives regardless of if they're clean or not

The fact you care so little for others and how willing you are to raise yourself above, calls into question if you have a modicum of empathy.

i have more empathy in my left thumb than this entire forum has combined

i just know what to use it for

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nobody cares about people who have never struggled

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

TIL verbatim, who complains constantly about hardships and suffering, has never faced hardship or suffered

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

oh wait, I didn't learn that today, I already knew that

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

thank you for confirming that i have struggled and drug addicts have not

literal example "he struggled to the summit of the world's highest mountain"

Quote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2017, 11:08:17 AM

oh thAt's NoT a StRuGgLe hE chOse to ClImb ThAt mOunTaIn

that's not a struggle

he chose to climb that mountain

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/27/Appeal-to-Definition

Quote from: TBlocks on November 23, 2017, 11:08:19 AM

You don't do drugs, good for you. Now if you would quit being an asshole maybe people would tell you that without you having to demand it.

except they won't because that's just not what people do

i don't actually care if anyone congratulates me for not doing drugs, i just think it's RETARDED to congratulate drug addicts for solving a problem that they create for themselves out of weakness and stupidity

if anything, they should be mocked and belitted for it for the rest of their lives

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The fact you care so little for others and how willing you are to raise yourself above, calls into question if you have a modicum of empathy.

i have more empathy in my left thumb than this entire forum has combined

i just know what to use it for

Well, they do for me so I dunno what to tell you.

Again, people make stupid decisions and dumb choices, it does not factor into my ability to empathize and attempt to help. Explain to me who would gain from belittling them.

I doubt it.

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Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on November 23, 2017, 07:51:02 AM

nobody cares about people who have never struggled

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

TIL verbatim, who complains constantly about hardships and suffering, has never faced hardship or suffered

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

oh wait, I didn't learn that today, I already knew that

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

thank you for confirming that i have struggled and drug addicts have not

literal example "he struggled to the summit of the world's highest mountain"

Quote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2017, 11:08:17 AM

oh thAt's NoT a StRuGgLe hE chOse to ClImb ThAt mOunTaIn

that's not a struggle

he chose to climb that mountain

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/27/Appeal-to-Definition

you used that incorrectly

appeal to definition is used to describe exclusion of certain scenarios based on the idea that it does not match what's in the dictionary, because the definition is too narrow

try again sweatie

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Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on November 23, 2017, 07:51:02 AM

nobody cares about people who have never struggled

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

TIL verbatim, who complains constantly about hardships and suffering, has never faced hardship or suffered

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

oh wait, I didn't learn that today, I already knew that

and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to

thank you for confirming that i have struggled and drug addicts have not

literal example "he struggled to the summit of the world's highest mountain"

Quote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2017, 11:08:17 AM

oh thAt's NoT a StRuGgLe hE chOse to ClImb ThAt mOunTaIn

that's not a struggle

he chose to climb that mountain

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/27/Appeal-to-Definition

you used that incorrectly

appeal to definition is used to describe exclusion of certain scenarios based on the idea that it does not match what's in the dictionary, because the definition is too narrow

try again sweatie

so i didn't use it incorrectly at all then thanks

no, you used it in literally the opposite way

instead of stating that the definition's scope is not wide enough to cover all applicable fields, you have made the claim that the scope is too general and applied to too many situations, which is not how claiming appeal to definition works

if anything, you meant to claim the ambiguity fallacy, but considering there is nothing ambiguous about the definition of struggle and there is no question to the fact that burdens you undertake must still, in the literal sense, be struggled against, you are factually and empirically, to a completely objective degree, incorrect

the matter is closed

Quote from: FatherlyNick on November 23, 2017, 08:10:37 AM

The reason is because once you start doing that shit, its hard to give up. Its not that hard NOT to do it. Just say no.
So if you had enough will power to stop and get normal again, that's an accomplishment.

no it isn't, you stupid shithead

why is it an "accomplishment" to get yourself out of a situation that you put yourself in

how the fuck does that even work

People put themselves in difficult situations and get out of them all the time.
Risk, reward?

And who knows? Maybe you had abusive parents and you found escape in drugs or alcohol?
Maybe you were a sex-slave drugged by your masters to keep you under control?

No one is arguing that they are not idiots for starting, but if they were able to turn their lives around? You were at least smart enough to realise what you were doing was bad and you did something about it.

How many people here KNOW that they have a bad habit or two, but still choose to live with it?
Its a positive change - so it gets appraisal.

ITT: Verb tries to understand why positive actions are rewarded/praised.

Quote from: FatherlyNick on November 23, 2017, 11:55:44 AM

No one is arguing that they are not idiots for starting, but if they were able to turn their lives around? You were at least smart enough to realise what you were doing was bad and you did something about it.

but that in itself is not worthy of praise

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ts a positive change - so it gets appraisal.

why shouldn't something that is consistently perfect never get appraisal

That is the goal - so when we praise someone who is getting closer to the perfect state, we let them know that "hey man, you're doing good."
So that's exactly it - you are praised for being closer to perfection.

Also, people know your character and will know if you are doing something that is outside of your bounds.
Don't tell me no one ever complimented you for doing things that you normally do.

Your parents feel pride and know where you stand on the food-chain of society. They have something they can compare and contrast other children against.

I guess we are not constantly praised for being normal because its supposed to be the norm?

All those 80s and 90s drug PSAs' are basically monuments to the straight-edge people.

That is the goal - so when we praise someone who is getting closer to the perfect state, we let them know that "hey man, you're doing good."
So that's exactly it - you are praised for being closer to perfection.

but it's not

you didn't profit from the experience

if you got out of that situation and THEN proceeded to help others get out of that situation, that would be profiting

but most drug addicts instead decide to relapse, because they're pieces of shit

Quote from: FatherlyNick on November 23, 2017, 12:04:48 PM

That is the goal - so when we praise someone who is getting closer to the perfect state, we let them know that "hey man, you're doing good."
So that's exactly it - you are praised for being closer to perfection.

but it's not

you didn't profit from the experience

if you got out of that situation and THEN proceeded to help others get out of that situation, that would be profiting

but most drug addicts instead decide to relapse, because they're pieces of shit

"Decide to relapse"

Also it's incredible how robotic you view people.

this is just sad.

Quote from: TBlocks on November 23, 2017, 11:16:44 AM

Well, they do for me so I dunno what to tell you.

Again, people make stupid decisions and dumb choices, it does not factor into my ability to empathize and attempt to help. Explain to me who would gain from belittling them.

I doubt it.

in order to believe everything that i believe, you basically have to be made of pure empathy and nothing else

"don't do drugs or we'll treat you like shit for the rest of your life on top of your addiction"

everyone would gain from this, except the addicts (who chose a life of mockery and hatred anyway)

Such "don't do drugs or we'll treat you like shit for the rest of your life on top of your addiction" thing is here and it doesn`t work at all. Also this kind of thing applies more to people what are tempting to do drugs, while this thread is about ex-addicts.

People do drugs because they are either dumb, weak or was forced into it and got an addiction.

People, which were forced into it and which got rid of it, did nothing wrong. 

Dumb people probably won`t even make to ex-addict stage and, since thread is about ex-addicts, it leaves us with weak people.

Everybody has it`s own weaknesses, it`s own problems, people are not perfect and they never will be. One of the reason we succeded as a race is that while we are weak, we cover each other backs. Weak people can`t deal with their own problems alone. And if weak person did drugs, they did it not because of having fun, they did it because the problem he or she have.

And why wouldn`t I applaud somebody for dealing with drugs? Why would I bellitte the fact that somebody doesn`t do drugs after addiction? Do I really want them problems after all they come? Do I really want to bellitle that they didn`t do drugs for a year and in that way potentially push them back to drugs or making them suicide?

Quote from: Snake 🙏 on November 23, 2017, 12:31:16 PM

this is just sad.

you will never be able to say you've never done drugs

that's even more sad

i would rather be addicted to every harmful substance in existence than be afflicted with whatever you have

"getting over an addiction is hard, you don't know what that's like"

even though i'm
- more depressed than you
- more socially anxious than you
- poorer than you
- have less friends than you
- have less skills than you
- have less of an overall reason to live and be sober than you
- have sustained this sorry state of existence for a MUCH greater period of time than you

and yet i still have the strength of will not to indulge in anything, because i just kick that much ass i guess

where is my ovation

this is embarrassing