Rewatching Apocalypse. The school blowing up scene.

The way he can pause to drink a soda or redo a dude's hair...

I don't think he's a speedster. I think he's slowing down time. Which puts the movie version as more powerful than the comic one

Thoughts?

Speedsters are usually time manipulators as well.

Flash isn't. He's straight up speed.

Quote from: Vien on October 14, 2016, 12:16:16 AM

Speedsters are usually time manipulators as well.

Flash isn't. He's straight up speed.

Flash's powers are a bit more complicated than that.

He draws his speed from a transdimensional source, and achieves his speed by coexisting in both.
The speedforce has different laws than this universe, like slipspace in Halo, except instead of having to go in and out he can move through both simultaneously.

This interdimensional presence is what keeps him from hitting bugs or getting wind sheer, because the exchange produces what he calls a 'frictionless aura'.

So quite literally, Flash is just borrowing his speed from a dimension where time moves more quickly, not actually running super fast.

To answer your question, quicksilver just moves and processes things faster.
He's raw speed.

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Quote from: Vien on October 14, 2016, 12:16:16 AM

Speedsters are usually time manipulators as well.

Flash isn't. He's straight up speed.

Flash's powers are a bit more complicated than that.

He draws his speed from a transdimensional source, and achieves his speed by coexisting in both.
The speedforce has different laws than this universe, like slipspace in Halo, except instead of having to go in and out he can move through both simultaneously.

This interdimensional presence is what keeps him from hitting bugs or getting wind sheer, because the exchange produces what he calls a 'frictionless aura'.

So quite literally, Flash is just borrowing his speed from a dimension where time moves more quickly, not actually running super fast.

To answer your question, quicksilver just moves and processes things faster.
He's raw speed.

The Flashpoint Paradox involved him traveling back in time by using the Speed Force to the fullest potential. He ended up altering the timeline so he could have his mother alive, and created yet another conflict. It was an excuse to have the DC Rebirth come about.

I know what happened in Flashpoint.

The speedforce has temporal properties, but it's not like he can straight up manipulate time.
Time travel is a byproduct of his powers, not the power itself.

Well think about it this way. If he weren't a speedster, how would anyone get whiplash from being carried by him?

Speedster until further notice.

Besides, is there any practical difference between being superfast while ignoring physics and slowing everything down time for everyone else?

Why even ask such a stupid question when you can reach the answer easily? Use your head, think.

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Quote from: Dio on October 14, 2016, 10:15:01 AM

Speedster until further notice.

Besides, is there any practical difference between being superfast while ignoring physics and slowing everything down time for everyone else?

Why even ask such a stupid question when you can reach the answer easily? Use your head, think.

The latter sounds fancier. Aside from that they're functionally the same.

Dumbass.

So you're saying you can't think of a single answer? HAHAHAHA

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Quote from: Desty on October 14, 2016, 10:51:39 AM

Quote from: Dio on October 14, 2016, 10:15:01 AM

Speedster until further notice.

Besides, is there any practical difference between being superfast while ignoring physics and slowing everything down time for everyone else?

Why even ask such a stupid question when you can reach the answer easily? Use your head, think.

The latter sounds fancier. Aside from that they're functionally the same.

Dumbass.

So you're saying you can't think of a single answer? HAHAHAHA

Because there aren't any. None that matter, anyway. Speed = distance / time. Whether you add to the distance or reduce the time while keeping the other variable the same, speed increases either way.

Dumbass.

Getting way too deep into a fictional character, but there's a difference. With training he could do more than go really fast. Taking your equation, if he can adjust a variable, then he could slow himself down and traverse centuries in the blink of his eyes. Speedsters live at our timeline,  just move more quickly in it.

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Quote from: Desty on October 14, 2016, 11:48:10 AM

Quote from: Dio on October 14, 2016, 11:44:30 AM

Quote from: Desty on October 14, 2016, 10:51:39 AM

Quote from: Dio on October 14, 2016, 10:15:01 AM

Speedster until further notice.

Besides, is there any practical difference between being superfast while ignoring physics and slowing everything down time for everyone else?

Why even ask such a stupid question when you can reach the answer easily? Use your head, think.

The latter sounds fancier. Aside from that they're functionally the same.

Dumbass.

So you're saying you can't think of a single answer? HAHAHAHA

Because there aren't any. None that matter, anyway. Speed = distance / time. Whether you add to the distance or reduce the time while keeping the other variable the same, speed increases either way.

Dumbass.

Getting way too deep into a fictional character

If Desty wasn't Desty I wouldn't have had to explain it.

With training he could do more than go really fast. Taking your equation, if he can adjust a variable, then he could slow himself down and traverse centuries in the blink of his eyes. Speedsters live at our timeline,  just move more quickly in it.

By "time manipulation" I assumed you meant specifically slowing it down to reach places faster, not just manipulation in general. I mean, yeah, it's a different power entirely, but in that specific application there's no functional difference between it and superspeed aside from the nitty gritty little details.

(And couldn't the Flash do that if he stole his own speed somehow?)

Down, Desty, down!!

*sprays with water bottle*

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Quote from: Dio on October 14, 2016, 11:59:51 AM

Quote from: Desty on October 14, 2016, 11:48:10 AM

Quote from: Dio on October 14, 2016, 11:44:30 AM

Quote from: Desty on October 14, 2016, 10:51:39 AM

Quote from: Dio on October 14, 2016, 10:15:01 AM

Speedster until further notice.

Besides, is there any practical difference between being superfast while ignoring physics and slowing everything down time for everyone else?

Why even ask such a stupid question when you can reach the answer easily? Use your head, think.

The latter sounds fancier. Aside from that they're functionally the same.

Dumbass.

So you're saying you can't think of a single answer? HAHAHAHA

Because there aren't any. None that matter, anyway. Speed = distance / time. Whether you add to the distance or reduce the time while keeping the other variable the same, speed increases either way.

Dumbass.

Getting way too deep into a fictional character

If Desty wasn't Desty I wouldn't have had to explain it.

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With training he could do more than go really fast. Taking your equation, if he can adjust a variable, then he could slow himself down and traverse centuries in the blink of his eyes. Speedsters live at our timeline,  just move more quickly in it.

By "time manipulation" I assumed you meant specifically slowing it down to reach places faster, not just manipulation in general. I mean, yeah, it's a different power entirely, but in that specific application there's no functional difference between it and superspeed aside from the nitty gritty little details.

(And couldn't the Flash do that if he stole his own speed somehow?)

From an outside observer it would be similar.

But to the user it opens new possibilities.

There's no practical difference between being able to achieve relativistic speed and time dilation, so he's both.

He never approaches the speed of light though.

And even if he did, my point stands that manipulating time is a side effect of his power, not the power itself.

>arguing physics in a comic book movie