Just so you know, but you do realize that it's a fact that it's the USA's loose gun regulations that directly contribute to Mexico's gun crime and play a significant role in supporting the power of the cartels, right? This has been known for years.
Quote from: Chakas on March 01, 2018, 01:30:40 PMQuote from: Flee on March 01, 2018, 01:24:13 PMJust so you know, but you do realize that it's a fact that it's the USA's loose gun regulations that directly contribute to Mexico's gun crime and play a significant role in supporting the power of the cartels, right? This has been known for years.That wasn't my point, but I am aware of it. The cartels have also been known to manufacture their own weapons as well. They certainly have the financial resources to do so. I think by legalizing gun ownership, common folk in Mexico would be more able to openly defend themselves against the cartels. It would be bloody, but it would be a fight and not the rape of the citizenry like it is now.I know it wasn't your point. I'm just making clear that "removing gun control regulations is the solution to a problem that is for a large part directly caused by the lack of strict gun control laws a little to the North" isn't necessarily an argument without flaws. Cartel-made weapons are either crude, unreliable and inaccurate or made with parts imported from the US. And whether legalization would help is not something I think anyone can predict. The Mexican government doesn't have the resources to make this happen responsibly and its citizens are largely poor without a lot of means to arm and train themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if the legalization would only make it easier for the gangs to arm themselves.
Quote from: Flee on March 01, 2018, 01:24:13 PMJust so you know, but you do realize that it's a fact that it's the USA's loose gun regulations that directly contribute to Mexico's gun crime and play a significant role in supporting the power of the cartels, right? This has been known for years.That wasn't my point, but I am aware of it. The cartels have also been known to manufacture their own weapons as well. They certainly have the financial resources to do so. I think by legalizing gun ownership, common folk in Mexico would be more able to openly defend themselves against the cartels. It would be bloody, but it would be a fight and not the rape of the citizenry like it is now.
Thanks to the genius idea that was Fast and Furious which gave drug cartels in Mexico thousands of military-grade weapons, Mexico may never be free from the government corruption and murders.
Quote from: Jono on March 01, 2018, 02:24:11 PMThanks to the genius idea that was Fast and Furious which gave drug cartels in Mexico thousands of military-grade weapons, Mexico may never be free from the government corruption and murders.Thanks, Obama.
Quote from: Jono on March 01, 2018, 02:24:11 PMThanks to the genius idea that was Fast and Furious which gave drug cartels in Mexico thousands of military-grade weapons, Mexico may never be free from the government corruption and murders.Yeah, not really. Fast and Furious involved the sale of "only" 2,000 weapons, about half of which have since been recovered. Meanwhile, several hundreds of thousands of guns (with some estimates even suggesting 2000 a day) cross the border into Mexico every year. Fast and Furious is a miniscule drop in the ocean of illegal guns that flood Mexico as a result of America's gun policies.
Annex Mexico and deport all the Mexicans. Mexico already has a wall to keep the Guatemalans out.
Quote from: Chakas on March 01, 2018, 02:51:56 PMQuote from: Flee on March 01, 2018, 02:47:08 PMQuote from: Jono on March 01, 2018, 02:24:11 PMThanks to the genius idea that was Fast and Furious which gave drug cartels in Mexico thousands of military-grade weapons, Mexico may never be free from the government corruption and murders.Yeah, not really. Fast and Furious involved the sale of "only" 2,000 weapons, about half of which have since been recovered. Meanwhile, several hundreds of thousands of guns (with some estimates even suggesting 2000 a day) cross the border into Mexico every year. Fast and Furious is a miniscule drop in the ocean of illegal guns that flood Mexico as a result of America's gun policies."America First". Not "Mexico First", bby.Why are you making threads to discuss serious issues if you're a fucking retard?
Quote from: Flee on March 01, 2018, 02:47:08 PMQuote from: Jono on March 01, 2018, 02:24:11 PMThanks to the genius idea that was Fast and Furious which gave drug cartels in Mexico thousands of military-grade weapons, Mexico may never be free from the government corruption and murders.Yeah, not really. Fast and Furious involved the sale of "only" 2,000 weapons, about half of which have since been recovered. Meanwhile, several hundreds of thousands of guns (with some estimates even suggesting 2000 a day) cross the border into Mexico every year. Fast and Furious is a miniscule drop in the ocean of illegal guns that flood Mexico as a result of America's gun policies."America First". Not "Mexico First", bby.
Most of Mexico isn’t in need of saving. Only the cities near the boarder are anywhere near the level of violence you describe. It’s our prohibition on Schedule I substances and our unwillingness to honestly address addiction in our country that enables them to exist at all. You want to fix Mexico? Fix our drug problem.
Fun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.
Quote from: Chakas on March 03, 2018, 07:02:45 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 06:46:32 AMFun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.So the people go over the border daily and tell me Juarez fucked along with the rest of Mexico are lying?Have you been to a border town in the last 5 years?
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 06:46:32 AMFun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.So the people go over the border daily and tell me Juarez fucked along with the rest of Mexico are lying?
Quote from: challengerX on March 03, 2018, 07:15:49 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 07:06:30 AMQuote from: challengerX on March 03, 2018, 07:04:03 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 06:46:32 AMFun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.The violence isn't about being mugged on the street. It's organized crime and cartels going at it with each other and the Feds.Honest question, how much worse is the violence compared to American gang violence and mass shootings? Also it's entirely true that their access to guns is entirely the fault of the US's extremely lax gun laws.I'd say the violence is a lot worse. There's random killings, kidnappings, torture, they hang bodies around town and leave severed heads all over the place. Gangs in America (apart from Chicago) have really calmed down for the most part. And even in the 90's when it was really poppin it was always gang on gang with some innocents caught in the middle.That's fair, but it's worth remembering that organized crime is still entirely the fault of the US, and overall Mexico is still significantly safer than the US.
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 07:06:30 AMQuote from: challengerX on March 03, 2018, 07:04:03 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 06:46:32 AMFun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.The violence isn't about being mugged on the street. It's organized crime and cartels going at it with each other and the Feds.Honest question, how much worse is the violence compared to American gang violence and mass shootings? Also it's entirely true that their access to guns is entirely the fault of the US's extremely lax gun laws.I'd say the violence is a lot worse. There's random killings, kidnappings, torture, they hang bodies around town and leave severed heads all over the place. Gangs in America (apart from Chicago) have really calmed down for the most part. And even in the 90's when it was really poppin it was always gang on gang with some innocents caught in the middle.
Quote from: challengerX on March 03, 2018, 07:04:03 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 06:46:32 AMFun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.The violence isn't about being mugged on the street. It's organized crime and cartels going at it with each other and the Feds.Honest question, how much worse is the violence compared to American gang violence and mass shootings? Also it's entirely true that their access to guns is entirely the fault of the US's extremely lax gun laws.
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 06:46:32 AMFun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.The violence isn't about being mugged on the street. It's organized crime and cartels going at it with each other and the Feds.
Quote from: Chakas on March 03, 2018, 07:28:39 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 07:04:22 AMQuote from: Chakas on March 03, 2018, 07:02:45 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 06:46:32 AMFun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.So the people go over the border daily and tell me Juarez fucked along with the rest of Mexico are lying?Have you been to a border town in the last 5 years?I live in one. El Paso, Texas. Everytime I go to work I take a good look at Mexico.El Paso is in the US, that's not Mexico. I actually meant a border town in Mexico. Have you been across the border in the last 5 years?I've heard about some of the crazy shit in El Paso though.
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 07:04:22 AMQuote from: Chakas on March 03, 2018, 07:02:45 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 03, 2018, 06:46:32 AMFun fact, Tijuana has less crime and gun violence than most American cities and supposedly it's regarded as one of the most dangerous border towns. You're significantly safer walking around there than say, New York, Orlando, or San Francisco. Not to say it doesn't exist because it most certainly does, but most of the violence is exaggerated for American media. Which shouldn't come as surprise.Also worth considering the fact that drug trafficking is entirely dependent on American demand.So the people go over the border daily and tell me Juarez fucked along with the rest of Mexico are lying?Have you been to a border town in the last 5 years?I live in one. El Paso, Texas. Everytime I go to work I take a good look at Mexico.
Is there any way to save Mexico from itself?
