Is Islam a violent religion?

challengerX · November 14, 2015, 07:00:34 PM

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aREALgod · November 14, 2015, 07:00:44 PM

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I have a question for those who disagree.

What other group of religious people at this time attack other people this frequently and violently? Attacks on innocent civilians solely to scare people?

LOL nobody answers, because they know what the answer is. Pussies are burying their heads in the dirt.
No one is answering because it's a loaded question, Issac Newton.

An honest question is a loaded question? Okay well then let me "load" you up with some truth.

NO OTHER religious groups are committing such heinous acts of violence in this day and age, on such large scales, as Islam. You wanna know why when someone says "terrorist" they think of Muslims or Islam? Oh I fucking wonder, maybe it's because they're the largest source of terrorist acts in this time? Hmmmmmmmm

Thun · November 14, 2015, 07:00:57 PM

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I'd get ya my source if I weren't out onnaphone.

I want that source too fam. Note it down and provide it later.

ban me · November 14, 2015, 07:01:06 PM

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Luciana · November 14, 2015, 07:01:18 PM

In the end, it all comes down to ignorance prevailing over individual thinking and education anyway. You can sound as edgy as you want with it but the root of the problem is always the same.

Tsirist · November 14, 2015, 07:01:53 PM

Quote from: Winy on November 14, 2015, 06:40:56 PM

Does it have elements in its doctrine that encourage violence?

i'm not sure but probably

Quote from: Winy on November 14, 2015, 06:40:56 PM

Is it predisposed to encourage oppression and conflict?

i'm not sure but probably not much moreso than other religions are

Quote from: Winy on November 14, 2015, 06:40:56 PM

Is it just a matter of the region of the world that extremism is predominant?

i'm inclined to say yes, without question, but i can't say for certain

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What makes Islamic terrorism more prominent than other forms of religious terrorism?

things are pretty fucked over there

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I'm trying to learn more about this question in light of the Paris attacks, and I don't want to be on the wrong side of the debate. I don't know exactly what to believe, but I can't ignore the amount of violence that seems to be done in the name of the Islamic religion. What exactly is going on here?

best thing to do imo is calm down and move on. we help people as best we can. we try not to hurt people. we only act defensively at and within our borders.

my opinions

Sandtrap · November 14, 2015, 07:02:16 PM

I'm not really up for talking the whole nine yards about this bullshit.

There's advocation for violence. The culture has a violent history.

But then again, take an unstable man, put him in front of the most violent video game you can find all day and make him play it every day. What happens? Something violent.

Does that make every video game a supporter, advocater, and active contributer to violence? All of you here will say no.

We're exposed to violent things and propagoters for them every single day. And yet 90% of us remain relatively normal, sane, functioning human beings with the ability to reason.

That entire area is a shithole. Tough people, tough lifestyle. Drop any other religion in there and it'd be weaponized just like the Islamic faith.

The faith itself can be interpreted for good, or bad, like any other. Just like how you don't see so many christians being rowdy mother fuckers anymore. It's because the people behind the belief have changed since it's crusade haydays. Any idea can advocate for violence. Any idea can be weaponized when exposed to the wrong mind, with the wrong reasons.

There's a metric shit ton of people over there with the wrong minds, and the wrong reasons.

Everybody getting all riled up about Islamic folks right now, fine, go ahead. But remember there's always two sides. As a species it's not in our evolutionary traits, to see things that don't threaten us. We only see the active threat and we generalize because it saves our lives.

The sad thing is, it's the otherwise innocent people on both sides who always have to pay for the mistakes and failures of others.

And the really sad thing is, when you're facing a threat, you have to generalize. You can't afford not to.

So, your question, then.

Is it a violent religion? Yes.

But then again, so was Christianity.

challengerX · November 14, 2015, 07:02:20 PM

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aREALgod · November 14, 2015, 07:02:23 PM

Quote from: Luciana on November 14, 2015, 07:01:18 PM

In the end, it all comes down to ignorance prevailing over individual thinking and education anyway. You can sound as edgy as you want with it but the root of the problem is always the same.

Failure to target the source? AKA Islam?

Thun · November 14, 2015, 07:02:33 PM

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the root of the problem is always the same.

ISLAM

challengerX · November 14, 2015, 07:05:02 PM

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Luciana · November 14, 2015, 07:06:05 PM

Quote from: The Lord Tape Measure on November 14, 2015, 07:00:44 PM

An honest question is a loaded question? Okay well then let me "load" you up with some truth.

NO OTHER religious groups are committing such heinous acts of violence in this day and age, on such large scales, as Islam. You wanna know why when someone says "terrorist" they think of Muslims or Islam? Oh I fucking wonder, maybe it's because they're the largest source of terrorist acts in this time? Hmmmmmmmm

Well first off, calm down. You just seem to be angrily mashing your keyboard for whatever reason.

It's also kinda odd how you skew it to help strengthen your argument. Just look at the history of any religion and see the kinds of groups that've bred violence. Islam isn't alone in that.

Religion will always breed blind faith to the ignorant and uneducated, regardless of what belief they follow.

And before you call me some cum slut or something, I'm not for or against the whole "Islam is shit" thing, because I've changed my opinion on it more times than I'd like to admit.

It's not that difficult to see where the base of the problem is with any religion though and those who're coerced into it from birth and not made to think or question for themselves.

Edit: I'm not looking to argue forever too, because we both could I guess? But I just read 9 pages of the same stuff we're diving into and I'd just... ehhcsahch rather not, thanks <3

challengerX · November 14, 2015, 07:06:22 PM

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Super Irish · November 14, 2015, 07:08:37 PM

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I have a question for those who disagree.

What other group of religious people at this time attack other people this frequently and violently? Attacks on innocent civilians solely to scare people?

I'd point towards the UDF and IRA. It moved on from a fight about land to bombings based on whether you were Catholic or Protestant. Hell, many people in Belfast share that hostile sentiment and judge your religion just by your name.
AT THIS TIME

NOT TEN OR TWENTY YEARS AGO

Why does that make it irrelevant?

And FYI, UDF are still around, and the IRA is just replaced by some more thugs. Not on a scale of the troubles sure, but fresh in minds of the many victims and survivors there.

Setting a bullshit time-scale just because it doesn't suit your views is dishonest.

Tsirist · November 14, 2015, 07:08:59 PM

Quote from: challengerX on November 14, 2015, 07:00:34 PM

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Quote from: The Lord Tape Measure on November 14, 2015, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: challengerX on November 14, 2015, 06:51:42 PM
I have a question for those who disagree.

What other group of religious people at this time attack other people this frequently and violently? Attacks on innocent civilians solely to scare people?

LOL nobody answers, because they know what the answer is. Pussies are burying their heads in the dirt.
No one is answering because it's a loaded question, Issac Newton.
How is it a loaded question? Because you can't answer it? Because it's only Muslims? Because I'm right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

the middle east is a mess and is producing a lot of terrorists. islam happens to be the major religion there. easy god damn question

challengerX · November 14, 2015, 07:09:19 PM

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Tsirist · November 14, 2015, 07:10:30 PM

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I have a question for those who disagree.

What other group of religious people at this time attack other people this frequently and violently? Attacks on innocent civilians solely to scare people?

I'd point towards the UDF and IRA. It moved on from a fight about land to bombings based on whether you were Catholic or Protestant. Hell, many people in Belfast share that hostile sentiment and judge your religion just by your name.
AT THIS TIME

NOT TEN OR TWENTY YEARS AGO

wait so are you saying we had religious problems ten or twenty years ago that we solved by eradicating the religion in question?

what conflict exactly was that and which religion was inherently so violent that eradicating it was deemed acceptable?

Luciana · November 14, 2015, 07:10:58 PM

Quote from: challengerX on November 14, 2015, 07:09:19 PM

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HISTORY

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW

ONLY MUSLIMS DO THIS ON THIS SCALE AND THIS FREQUENTLY AND MANY MANY NATIONS AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WRONGED BY AMERICA AND THE UK AND ARE IMPOVERISHED AND DONT ATTACK PEOPLE SO THATS BULLSHIT

ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM

Hey

calm down

challengerX · November 14, 2015, 07:11:05 PM

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Luciana · November 14, 2015, 07:12:11 PM

If you're reading this I'm talking normally

BUT FINISH IT OFF WITH ALL CAPS BECAUSE I'M ANGRY

Tsirist · November 14, 2015, 07:12:17 PM

rofl

suddenly we're ignoring the history because we didn't wipe those religions out and things turned out just fine

challengerX · November 14, 2015, 07:12:50 PM

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Luciana · November 14, 2015, 07:13:03 PM

I can't get into this discussion again after reading the crap for 30 minutes before

you guys have fun

Challenger, drink tea or something

Tsirist · November 14, 2015, 07:13:29 PM

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Quote from: challengerX on November 14, 2015, 06:51:42 PM
I have a question for those who disagree.

What other group of religious people at this time attack other people this frequently and violently? Attacks on innocent civilians solely to scare people?

I'd point towards the UDF and IRA. It moved on from a fight about land to bombings based on whether you were Catholic or Protestant. Hell, many people in Belfast share that hostile sentiment and judge your religion just by your name.
AT THIS TIME

NOT TEN OR TWENTY YEARS AGO

Why does that make it irrelevant?

And FYI, UDF are still around, and the IRA is just replaced by some more thugs. Not on a scale of the troubles sure, but fresh in minds of the many victims and survivors there.

Setting a bullshit time-scale just because it doesn't suit your views is dishonest.
Because I'm talking about now. About yesterday.

Not decades ago. IRA doesn't do shit anymore. Any Christian terrorist groups are barely anything compared to the Muslims.

wow do you think they don't do that anymore because it maybe isn't the religion but the circumstances?

aREALgod · November 14, 2015, 07:14:21 PM

Quote from: Luciana on November 14, 2015, 07:06:05 PM

Quote from: The Lord Tape Measure on November 14, 2015, 07:00:44 PM
An honest question is a loaded question? Okay well then let me "load" you up with some truth.

NO OTHER religious groups are committing such heinous acts of violence in this day and age, on such large scales, as Islam. You wanna know why when someone says "terrorist" they think of Muslims or Islam? Oh I fucking wonder, maybe it's because they're the largest source of terrorist acts in this time? Hmmmmmmmm
Well first off, calm down. You just seem to be angrily mashing your keyboard for whatever reason.

It's also kinda odd how you skew it to help strengthen your argument. Just look at the history of any religion and see the kinds of groups that've bred violence. Islam isn't alone in that.

Religion will always breed blind faith to the ignorant and uneducated, regardless of what belief they follow.

And before you call me some cum slut or something, I'm not for or against the whole "Islam is shit" thing, because I've changed my opinion on it more times than I'd like to admit.

It's not that difficult to see where the base of the problem is with any religion though and those who're coerced into it from birth and not made to think or question for themselves.

Edit: I'm not looking to argue forever too, because we both could I guess? But I just read 9 pages of the same stuff we're diving into and I'd just... ehhcsahch rather not, thanks <3

Well after seeing the attacks on France, yeah I'm angry. And all the other attacks, and the ongoing attacks, and the inevitable attacks in the future. I think that when people are being slaughtered by primitive savages from ONE specific religion, it's fine to get pissed off.

Also here's the thing... We're not talking about the past. Sure, 1000 years ago during the crusades, Christianity was the brutal religion of death, and was for a long time (though it should be noted Islam was too, and kind of always has been). But now in the modern day and age, Christianity isn't the source of violence on a large scale (now it's a victim of Islamic terrorism), so it's a moot point. We're talking about NOW, and right NOW Islam has happy bunches of uni-brow, black-bearded goat fuckers slaughtering innocent people in Europe brutally and torturing whoever they please in the Middle East. So when you tell me "lol Islam isn't alone, other did it in the past!" it literally means NOTHING, because we're not worried about the past. These assholes truly believe they're embroiled in a holy war, and this war amounts to one, cold-hearted, simple truth: The eradication of infidels, or the eradication of Islam. It will never end until it is cleaned off from the planet. If not, this kind of bullshit will carry on for hundreds of years, until our children's children's children grow the balls to do what needs to be done.

Tsirist · November 14, 2015, 07:16:03 PM

again, the fact that religions go from violent to secular serves ONLY as evidence that the religion is not the sole cause of the violence

this "it's not about then it's about now" meme is a good one for sure

challengerX · November 14, 2015, 07:16:20 PM

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Tsirist · November 14, 2015, 07:21:45 PM

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Why don't any of the ethnic and religious minorities in the Middle East do these terroristic acts of its the region and not the religion?

If I had to guess I'd say it's because they're busy being slaughtered by ISIS and such. Lesser of two evils and whatnot. If ISIS can barely touch us and they're the major players in the region, imagine trying to coordinate something comparable with fewer resources and another enemy breathing down your back.