is game of thrones misogynistic

SecondClass · February 22, 2017, 06:56:59 AM

George RR Martin is a millionaire author, and he could have wrote about anything. He legit created an entire new world in ASOIAF, and he consciously decided to make women oppressed in that world.

So I need to know if there's any last rebuttal against this before I cross GOT off my watchlist

big dog · February 22, 2017, 07:03:26 AM

The books themselves aren't misogynistic. Of course there's going to be oppression in his world; it's based on medieval England. Including stuff like that doesn't automatically make an author a misogynist, it's dependent on how you handle it. In ASOIAF in particular everyone has it pretty bad.

The show, however, is fine to a point, but Seasons 5 and 6 are especially bad for it outside of just being shit in general. GRRM had little involvement with them so the showrunners basically came up with their own rubbish and in attempting to "empower" women in their show they completely fucked up.

Mattie G Indahouse · February 22, 2017, 07:09:31 AM

He based his series around the "Wars of the Roses" which was a time period when women were oppressed.

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he could have wrote about anything.

Which he has since he wrote other series besides ASoIAF/ Dunk and Egg, why does everything need to be current and "political correct"?

Onion · February 22, 2017, 07:18:46 AM

the show is a feminists wet dream you'll love it

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · February 22, 2017, 07:46:19 AM

Its is not at all oppressive, but rather liberating, since it is set in a Muslim majority country.

Desty · February 22, 2017, 07:55:12 AM

Yeah

The game of thrones is oppressive to anyone who has any sort of weakness

nͫiͤcͫeͤ · February 22, 2017, 07:55:29 AM

half the show is about stronk wymyn

Mordo · February 22, 2017, 08:53:28 AM

The second half of the show is basically women defying literal logic so the show runners can get some feminist street cred, so go for it.

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Verbatim · February 22, 2017, 09:03:08 AM

There's basically softcore rape porn, so yeah, it's pretty fucking bad.

It's also bad in general. Fuck GRRM and fuck this franchise.

Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

If you enjoy this, fuck you.

velox · February 22, 2017, 09:15:10 AM

Depicting oppression doesn't necessarily equal promoting oppression. Are movies and books depicting slavery automatically racist to black people?

Verbatim · February 22, 2017, 09:20:36 AM

Quote from: 🇻🇪🇱🇴🇽 on February 22, 2017, 09:15:10 AM

Depicting oppression doesn't necessarily equal promoting oppression. Are movies and books depicting slavery automatically racist to black people?

It has to do with how its depicted and how maturely the medium handles it. No one would watch Requiem for a Dream and say it's pro-drug abuse. You might find a couple idiots who think the Wolf of Wall Street promotes drug abuse, because it handles it a little more ambiguously. Then there's movies like Project X, where the movie is basically a commercial for hedonism--it's hard to watch that movie and say it's trying to spread some kind of deeper "hey kids, this is actually bad" message.

velox · February 22, 2017, 12:44:39 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 22, 2017, 09:20:36 AM

Quote from: 🇻🇪🇱🇴🇽 on February 22, 2017, 09:15:10 AM
Depicting oppression doesn't necessarily equal promoting oppression. Are movies and books depicting slavery automatically racist to black people?
It has to do with how its depicted and how maturely the medium handles it. No one would watch Requiem for a Dream and say it's pro-drug abuse. You might find a couple idiots who think the Wolf of Wall Street promotes drug abuse, because it handles it a little more ambiguously. Then there's movies like Project X, where the movie is basically a commercial for hedonism--it's hard to watch that movie and say it's trying to spread some kind of deeper "hey kids, this is actually bad" message.

I realize that. I'm saying depicting it doesn't automatically mean promoting it, though it's not impossible either of course.

Verbatim · February 22, 2017, 12:49:03 PM

Quote from: 🇻🇪🇱🇴🇽 on February 22, 2017, 12:44:39 PM

I realize that. I'm saying depicting it doesn't automatically mean promoting it, though it's not impossible either of course.

And I'm saying, while it may be the case that GoT doesn't promote misogyny through its depictions of it, it could still appear that way based on how it's directed--which would be a failure on the director's part, yes?

DAS B00T x2 · February 22, 2017, 01:25:31 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 22, 2017, 09:03:08 AM

There's basically softcore rape porn, so yeah, it's pretty fucking bad.

It's also bad in general. Fuck GRRM and fuck this franchise.

Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

If you enjoy this, fuck you.

That sound p. neat

Super Irish · February 22, 2017, 01:36:40 PM

I'd say it features acts of misogyny, but not misogynistic in itself.

I can't comment on the pay grade between the actors and if it's based on their gender, but there's a lot of screentime split between male and female characters and there seems to be an even distribution of male and female main characters and "villains" throughout (and the same goes for killing some off).

You could even argue it's pretty liberating seeing as it has several female leads that are completely independent from a man and can hold their own (something pretty rare to non-existent in actual Medieval times).

maverick · February 22, 2017, 02:19:30 PM

He should've been smart like Tolkien and just not made female characters.

Aether · February 22, 2017, 02:28:43 PM

Wouldn't you expect to see misogyny in a story inspired by the middle/dark ages?

I'm not aware of any deep meaning GoT may try to convey as I've never watched it or read the books, but regardless, you have to be able to confront terrible things and entertain the idea of them if you want to grow intellectually.

MyNameIsCharlie · February 22, 2017, 02:37:53 PM

It has hookers and rape scenes. If they're a protagonist, they're thin and attractive. But we also see several homosexual relationships, man on man rape, castration galore, incest, even midgets. Do I think it's misogynistic? No. do females get BTFO on a regular basis? Yes. But we also saw a dude get his cock chopped off. So there's that.

Turkey · February 22, 2017, 02:38:49 PM

If anything, it's uncharacteristically progressive with how women are treated in the world. It's clearly not meant to convey our history's gender roles.

Verbatim · February 22, 2017, 02:39:15 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on February 22, 2017, 02:37:53 PM

It has hookers and rape scenes. If they're a protagonist, they're thin and attractive. But we also see several homosexual relationships, man on man rape, castration galore, incest, even midgets. Do I think it's misogynistic? No. do females get BTFO on a regular basis? Yes. But we also saw a dude get his cock chopped off. So there's that.

WOOOOOOOOOOOAH, HARDCORE D00D

MyNameIsCharlie · February 22, 2017, 02:43:44 PM

Verbatim itt:

Luciana · February 22, 2017, 02:45:12 PM

The Witcher 3 is also misogynistic for noting women get raped in war times and weren't on equal footing in Medieval times.

oh and tits

if your dick gets hard, you're going to hell

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · February 22, 2017, 02:57:13 PM

Quote from: Luciana on February 22, 2017, 02:45:12 PM

if your dick gets hard, you're going to hell

b-b-b-but...

challengerX · February 22, 2017, 03:07:53 PM

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MyNameIsCharlie · February 22, 2017, 03:09:33 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 22, 2017, 03:07:53 PM

I don't know how people enjoy so much violence on TV and movies.

Rape and castration? Really? Does that really enhance the plot to the point where you can't do without a rape scene? I doubt it, and it just seems like it's trying to be edgy. That's why I won't watch a single episode.

each to their own. I can respect that.

big dog · February 22, 2017, 03:13:48 PM

violent media should be banned

Verbatim · February 22, 2017, 03:56:25 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on February 22, 2017, 02:43:44 PM

Verbatim itt:

Charlie itt:

"wah, stop disliking what i like"

see how asinine that is

Luciana · February 22, 2017, 03:57:03 PM

Quote from: Luciana on February 22, 2017, 02:45:12 PM

The Witcher 3 is also misogynistic for noting women get raped in war times and weren't on equal footing in Medieval times.

oh and tits

if your dick gets hard, you're going to hell

I should note I was posting this ironically.

Luciana · February 22, 2017, 03:57:47 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 22, 2017, 03:07:53 PM

I don't know how people enjoy so much violence on TV and movies.

Rape and castration? Really? Does that really enhance the plot to the point where you can't do without a rape scene? I doubt it, and it just seems like it's trying to be edgy. That's why I won't watch a single episode.

I find it funny Americans love violence but scoff at the idea of a shoot with an ass being shown. Because seeing blood and people being beheaded is far more sane than a naked person.