Is anti-fat shaming undoing evolution?

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With the whole "Big and Beautiful" movement, you see potential mating partners told to ignore what they are naturally attracted to and embrace a body type against their biological urges.

Humanity no longer has natural predators to thin out genetically weaker lines. Because of this, there is only selective breeding to improve our species. Our biological urges are the guide to this. When you feel attracted to a certain body type, it's your genetics dictating what would improve the species.

When you are forced to accept something against your urges, you are going against what is evolutionarily best for the species.

So, fat shaming is a good thing.


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Fat shaming isn't a good thing, but neither is this fat empowerment shit. It's objectively unhealthy, and you wouldn't shame or glorify any other medical condition.


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You're right for the wrong reasons. People should care about their personal health, hygiene, and to a point, their attractiveness--and those who don't probably should be ashamed.

No one should give a fuck what's "evolutionarily" best for us, however.
Last Edit: March 25, 2016, 11:52:46 AM by Verbatim


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Fat shaming isn't a good thing, but neither is this fat empowerment shit. It's objectively unhealthy, and you wouldn't shame or glorify any other medical condition.

Mental illness is glorified every day


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You're right for the wrong reasons. People should care about their personal health, hygiene, and to a point, their attractiveness--and those who don't probably should be ashamed.

No one should give a fuck what's "evolutionarily" best for us, however.

That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying you should go with your impulses, because that's what's evolutionarily best for the species. However you personally justify it is up to you. But your impulses are biologically driven.


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No one should give a fuck what's "evolutionarily" best for us, however.

I would have to disagree.  Unhealthy lifestyles can pass down bad traits to offspring.  Kids being born with type 1 diabetes and dispositions to over eating negative evolutionary traits and should be a source of concern.


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No one should give a fuck what's "evolutionarily" best for us, however.

So what should we give a fuck about


 
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So what should we give a fuck about
Probably the three things I mentioned that you cut out from the post for some reason.


 
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If you let your choice in prospective partner get dictated to you by twitter and tumblr, you are part of that evolutionary decline.

Fat Shaming is stupid, you won't get someone to lose weight by ridiculing them because duhoy -> stress -> anxiety -> more eating. Anti-fat shaming is people who would rather take the 'easy' route of forcing acceptance of obesity instead of putting down the god damned fork.



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So what should we give a fuck about
Probably the three things I mentioned that you cut out from the post for some reason.

But that's evolutionary


 
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But that's evolutionary
Personal health, hygiene, and attractiveness have nothing to do with evolution.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
When you feel attracted to a certain body type, it's your genetics dictating what would improve the species.
It's fucking amazing how different body types are considered attractive during different periods, then.



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But that's evolutionary
Personal health, hygiene, and attractiveness have nothing to do with evolution.

Personal health - stronger people live on and weaker people die off
Attractiveness - find mates to pass on their genes
Hygiene - falls under both

Those who have these traits survive and create a stronger species while those who don't die off

>rails on me for being in high school
>never even been in a simple biology class


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
because that's what's evolutionarily best for the species
Who cares?


 
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Personal health - stronger people live on and weaker people die off
Except that's not the reason you should want to be healthy.
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Attractiveness - find mates to pass on their genes
Except that's not the reason you should want to be attractive.
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Hygiene - falls under both
Except those aren't reasons that you should want to be hygienic.

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Those who have these traits survive and create a stronger species while those who don't die off
Except this has nothing to do with anything.

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>rails on me for being in high school
>never even been in a simple biology class
Shoot yourself.
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because that's what's evolutionarily best for the species
Who cares?
If our goal as productive humans is to make life easier for future generations and prevent/reduce suffering, and being unhealthily overweight drastically increases the likely hood of passing on genes that are harmful, then everyone with a brain should care.


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Personal health - stronger people live on and weaker people die off
Except that's not the reason you should want to be healthy.
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Attractiveness - find mates to pass on their genes
Except that's not the reason you should want to be attractive.
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Hygiene - falls under both
Except those aren't reasons that you should want to be hygienic.

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Those who have these traits survive and create a stronger species while those who don't die off
Except this has nothing to do with anything.

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>rails on me for being in high school
>never even been in a simple biology class
Shoot yourself.

Sure we don't do these things for survival anymore
But they are still grounded in evolutionary instinct

And besides
Just because we can accommodate unhealthy lifestyles now, doesn't mean we should 

Also what would be the reasons we should want those things?
Last Edit: March 25, 2016, 01:22:09 PM by Precious Tritium


 
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Just because we can accommodate unhealthy lifestyles now, doesn't mean we should
Which is what I'm saying.

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Also what would be the reasons we should want those things?
You should want to be healthy, because it'll allow you to live a more lengthy and pleasurable existence in the long run, and if you consider yourself a productive member of society, you'll be able to offer your contributions to humanity even more.

You should want to be hygienic and attractive (to an extent) because having relationships is important, and no one is going to want to have any sort of relationship with you if you're fat, gross, disgusting, unhygienic piece of shit.

And by "any sort of relationship," I mean any sort of relationship. Not just romantic ones.

Fuck evolution.


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Just because we can accommodate unhealthy lifestyles now, doesn't mean we should
Which is what I'm saying.

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Also what would be the reasons we should want those things?
You should want to be healthy, because it'll allow you to live a more lengthy and pleasurable existence in the long run, and if you consider yourself a productive member of society, you'll be able to offer your contributions to humanity even more.

You should want to be hygienic and attractive (to an extent) because having relationships is important, and no one is going to want to have any sort of relationship with you if you're fat, gross, disgusting, unhygienic piece of shit.

And by "any sort of relationship," I mean any sort of relationship. Not just romantic ones.

Fuck evolution.

But literally all of that is evolutionary 


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There was actually cultures that had women praising fatties because that was a sign of wealth.
But lol you're poor and fat.


 
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But literally all of that is evolutionary
Wrong.

Just because you can tie everything to evolution in some way doesn't make it evolutionary, you annoying little faggot.
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But literally all of that is evolutionary
Wrong.

Just because you can tie everything to evolution in some way doesn't make it evolutionary, you annoying little faggot.

I don't think any animal says "I'm doing this for the survival and improvement of my species"

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it's not happening


 
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I don't think any animal says "I'm doing this for the survival and improvement of my species"

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it's not happening
I'm a fucking anti-natalist. The survival of the species is the absolute lowest fucking thing on my list of priorities.


 
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I don't think any animal says "I'm doing this for the survival and improvement of my species"

Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it's not happening
I'm a fucking anti-natalist. The survival of the species is the absolute lowest fucking thing on my list of priorities.
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Eh evolution takes eons. Even if this fat shaming thing lasts for decades, people are going to eventually realize that genetics doesn't mean a thing when you live an unhealthy lifestyle. I feel like obesity will start to be phased out with improved understanding of nutrition, medicine, and better technology.

I mean, the main issue with being fat isn't being 'unattractive.' It's being unhealthy. And no one wants to be unhealthy, you would think.
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
If our goal as productive humans is to make life easier for future generations and prevent/reduce suffering
So, in that case, you do in fact agree with me that it has fuck all to do with what is "evolutionarily good".

Being evolutionarily good =/= reducing suffering. Think before you type; making statements like 'everybody with a brain should care about this' isn't very endearing when you don't even know what it is you actually care about.


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I see two problems here.
  • evolution has a definite direction/end goal
  • fat acceptance actually makes people attracted to fat

Neither of these are true.