Quote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 10:10:11 AMQuote from: Eli on April 28, 2018, 02:56:25 PMI don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."you're pretty much alone on thatErm, not really.Probably about 90% of the characters that died have confirmed sequels in the pipeline. The original Avengers remained untouched. You can pretty much see the Deus Ex Machina coming from a mile away.So it's a legitimate opinion to have, and I too share it.
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2018, 02:56:25 PMI don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."you're pretty much alone on that
I don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."
Quote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 11:43:10 AMQuote from: Mordo on May 01, 2018, 11:38:17 AMQuote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 10:10:11 AMQuote from: Eli on April 28, 2018, 02:56:25 PMI don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."you're pretty much alone on thatErm, not really.Probably about 90% of the characters that died have confirmed sequels in the pipeline. The original Avengers remained untouched. You can pretty much see the Deus Ex Machina coming from a mile away.So it's a legitimate opinion to have, and I too share it.i choose to evaluate every film i see in a vacuum
Quote from: Mordo on May 01, 2018, 11:38:17 AMQuote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 10:10:11 AMQuote from: Eli on April 28, 2018, 02:56:25 PMI don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."you're pretty much alone on thatErm, not really.Probably about 90% of the characters that died have confirmed sequels in the pipeline. The original Avengers remained untouched. You can pretty much see the Deus Ex Machina coming from a mile away.So it's a legitimate opinion to have, and I too share it.i choose to evaluate every film i see in a vacuum
Quote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 01:09:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 01, 2018, 12:20:09 PMQuote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 11:43:10 AMQuote from: Mordo on May 01, 2018, 11:38:17 AMQuote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 10:10:11 AMQuote from: Eli on April 28, 2018, 02:56:25 PMI don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."you're pretty much alone on thatErm, not really.Probably about 90% of the characters that died have confirmed sequels in the pipeline. The original Avengers remained untouched. You can pretty much see the Deus Ex Machina coming from a mile away.So it's a legitimate opinion to have, and I too share it.i choose to evaluate every film i see in a vacuumYouTubeThat's the type of person who shares your opinion
Quote from: challengerX on May 01, 2018, 12:20:09 PMQuote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 11:43:10 AMQuote from: Mordo on May 01, 2018, 11:38:17 AMQuote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 10:10:11 AMQuote from: Eli on April 28, 2018, 02:56:25 PMI don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."you're pretty much alone on thatErm, not really.Probably about 90% of the characters that died have confirmed sequels in the pipeline. The original Avengers remained untouched. You can pretty much see the Deus Ex Machina coming from a mile away.So it's a legitimate opinion to have, and I too share it.i choose to evaluate every film i see in a vacuumYouTube
Quote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 10:10:11 AMQuote from: Eli on April 28, 2018, 02:56:25 PMI don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."you're pretty much alone on thatnot at allwe all knew going into the film it would end on a dark note, as all 2 part stories domy expectations were fulfilled
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2018, 02:31:45 PMQuote from: Shhhhhh on May 01, 2018, 10:10:11 AMQuote from: Eli on April 28, 2018, 02:56:25 PMI don't understand how the ending was "gutsy."you're pretty much alone on thatnot at allwe all knew going into the film it would end on a dark note, as all 2 part stories domy expectations were fulfilledin a franchise where only one who-gives-a-fuck character died in almost twenty movies, killing just one major character would've been a dark note to end on by that standardthey went further than could be reasonably expectedexpecting more than one or maybe two characters to die wouldn't be reasonable, let alone having the big bad win in the endan empire strikes back style ending where the main characters are at their lowest point, but the war isn't necessarily lost, is the only reasonable expectation BASED on how the movies have conditioned us so farsure you can talk about how obvious it is that it'll be reverted in the next movie but that doesn't actually have any bearing on the movie that currently exists right now on may 1st 2018
I feel like the Walking Dead and Game of Thrones mindset has really affected how people judge comic movies. Why do characters have to die for there to be stakes? It's not like the characters have remained static throughout the films.
LMAOMark Ruffalo is so fucking stupid holy shit
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2018, 10:40:20 AMLMAOMark Ruffalo is so fucking stupid holy shit...un fucking believableit was stupid enough when he said "like every other marvel movie it doesn't end well" and i thought that was gonna be the end of the videohow any one of us avoided seeing that for the year long this has been uploaded is pretty incredible though--good guy youtube algorithm?
It's weird to see you ridicule shows like TWD and GoT as overly-reliant on main character deaths to drive the plot, and then say that the MCU does and/or should do the same thing, rather than be glad that it actually doesn't.
what they should've done is kill iron man the MOMENT thanos stabbed him, which is what everybody thought was gonna happen anyway, and it felt super earned with the music abruptly stopping the moment it happened, with tony looking defeated as fuck and everything
But IIRC, he gave Disney the permission to use his CGI likeness till they get tired of it.
I don't see why they didn't commit to that considering Robert doesn't want to play the part anymore. That would've been a rare case of committee storytelling fitting perfectly with the narrative. But IIRC, he gave Disney the permission to use his CGI likeness till they get tired of it. I'll try and find a source but if it's true it'll give some insight into the timeline of superhero movies beyond what's already planned. Quotewhat they should've done is kill iron man the MOMENT thanos stabbed him, which is what everybody thought was gonna happen anyway, and it felt super earned with the music abruptly stopping the moment it happened, with tony looking defeated as fuck and everything
the problem i see with TWD and GoT is that they don't seem to have any discernible method for who and how they kill their characters--it feels random and arbitrary, like a soap opera, which, sure, adds tension in the laziest and most superficial way, but it's unearned and there's no lesson, message, or anything to take way from that death other than "oh no, my favorite character died for basically no reason, hopefully he actually lived somehow"
Quote from: Shhhhhh on May 05, 2018, 11:19:49 AMthe problem i see with TWD and GoT is that they don't seem to have any discernible method for who and how they kill their characters--it feels random and arbitrary, like a soap opera, which, sure, adds tension in the laziest and most superficial way, but it's unearned and there's no lesson, message, or anything to take way from that death other than "oh no, my favorite character died for basically no reason, hopefully he actually lived somehow"Not that I disagree with a lot of your post, but I don't think this is accurate. At least not when it applies to GoT anyway. I don't really have a dog in TWD fight.Part of what makes GoT interesting is the various and seemingly insignificant choices the characters make which eventually culminate to their demise. You can trace all their decisions back for a couple seasons and see how and why they got to where they are.Take Robb and Ned Stark for example. You can pinpoint exactly where the characters fucked up at various points in the show (disrespecting Walder Frey, trusting Littlefinger etc), which makes you think in hindsight, maybe these characters aren't as special as you initially thought.So I don't think the show boils down to "hurr durr so randumb and subversive XD", but more like, yeah, there's legitimate consequences to the choices characters make in this universe.
Quote from: Mordo on May 06, 2018, 08:06:07 AMQuote from: Shhhhhh on May 05, 2018, 11:19:49 AMthe problem i see with TWD and GoT is that they don't seem to have any discernible method for who and how they kill their characters--it feels random and arbitrary, like a soap opera, which, sure, adds tension in the laziest and most superficial way, but it's unearned and there's no lesson, message, or anything to take way from that death other than "oh no, my favorite character died for basically no reason, hopefully he actually lived somehow"Not that I disagree with a lot of your post, but I don't think this is accurate. At least not when it applies to GoT anyway. I don't really have a dog in TWD fight.Part of what makes GoT interesting is the various and seemingly insignificant choices the characters make which eventually culminate to their demise. You can trace all their decisions back for a couple seasons and see how and why they got to where they are.Take Robb and Ned Stark for example. You can pinpoint exactly where the characters fucked up at various points in the show (disrespecting Walder Frey, trusting Littlefinger etc), which makes you think in hindsight, maybe these characters aren't as special as you initially thought.So I don't think the show boils down to "hurr durr so randumb and subversive XD", but more like, yeah, there's legitimate consequences to the choices characters make in this universe.I'm assuming there's the obligatory "until about season 5" comment you need to mentally add.