Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 04:02:15 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:56:48 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:53:36 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:44:04 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:24:40 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.yeah, theyre all dumb as rocks. so tell me, how in the flying fuck did anakin magically become smart? i can tell you right now that palpatine isnt responsible.its a shitty narrative. lucas didnt think it through. stop white knighting the prequels.When did Anakin become smart? Vader is just as dumb in the movies, and we've barely seen any of his thought process in the new comics besides "lol lets build an army". So unless you're using non canon material to show Vader's intelligence, I don't see it.Anakin is Palpatine's lapdog, and is ignorant beyond belief, even after he's in the suit. The ONLY time he opens up a bit is when he finds out Luke is his son. And even then, he has to wait until his son is almost killed to actually do something.He became a sign of terror when he went in the suit, but he didn't become smart.And I'm not white knighting the prequels, I'm defending the Star Wars narrative as a whole. Sorry that you don't enjoy a section of it to actually care about it.Vader isn't an idiot. You say that he isn't smart in canon material, but I'd say his actions in the Darth Vader comics have shown him to be quite cunning and intelligent.Then I can say the same for how he behaves during The Clone Wars. His intelligence level does not change.yeah but Lucas isn't responsible for anakin's character development in that series. id prefer to keep this within the realm of things that Lucas is directly responsible for- the 6 movies. there is no narrative consistency between the prequel anakin and vader in the movies. the clone wars helps to remedy the character a bit, but movie anakin is a fucking moron, no way around it. vader is much much more intelligent. that doesnt make any sense. lucas is a hack.Okay, are you stupid or misinformed? Lucas was DIRECTLY involved with the story and character development of EVERY Clone Wars episode that has aired thus far. The Clone Wars is just as much directly responsible for him as the main 6 movies. Hence why it was left canon during the EU wipe.lucas has creator credits for the clone wars because he invented star wars. he has a minor writing credit, but he wasnt involved in production or direction. doesnt count.
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:56:48 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:53:36 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:44:04 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:24:40 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.yeah, theyre all dumb as rocks. so tell me, how in the flying fuck did anakin magically become smart? i can tell you right now that palpatine isnt responsible.its a shitty narrative. lucas didnt think it through. stop white knighting the prequels.When did Anakin become smart? Vader is just as dumb in the movies, and we've barely seen any of his thought process in the new comics besides "lol lets build an army". So unless you're using non canon material to show Vader's intelligence, I don't see it.Anakin is Palpatine's lapdog, and is ignorant beyond belief, even after he's in the suit. The ONLY time he opens up a bit is when he finds out Luke is his son. And even then, he has to wait until his son is almost killed to actually do something.He became a sign of terror when he went in the suit, but he didn't become smart.And I'm not white knighting the prequels, I'm defending the Star Wars narrative as a whole. Sorry that you don't enjoy a section of it to actually care about it.Vader isn't an idiot. You say that he isn't smart in canon material, but I'd say his actions in the Darth Vader comics have shown him to be quite cunning and intelligent.Then I can say the same for how he behaves during The Clone Wars. His intelligence level does not change.yeah but Lucas isn't responsible for anakin's character development in that series. id prefer to keep this within the realm of things that Lucas is directly responsible for- the 6 movies. there is no narrative consistency between the prequel anakin and vader in the movies. the clone wars helps to remedy the character a bit, but movie anakin is a fucking moron, no way around it. vader is much much more intelligent. that doesnt make any sense. lucas is a hack.Okay, are you stupid or misinformed? Lucas was DIRECTLY involved with the story and character development of EVERY Clone Wars episode that has aired thus far. The Clone Wars is just as much directly responsible for him as the main 6 movies. Hence why it was left canon during the EU wipe.
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:53:36 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:44:04 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:24:40 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.yeah, theyre all dumb as rocks. so tell me, how in the flying fuck did anakin magically become smart? i can tell you right now that palpatine isnt responsible.its a shitty narrative. lucas didnt think it through. stop white knighting the prequels.When did Anakin become smart? Vader is just as dumb in the movies, and we've barely seen any of his thought process in the new comics besides "lol lets build an army". So unless you're using non canon material to show Vader's intelligence, I don't see it.Anakin is Palpatine's lapdog, and is ignorant beyond belief, even after he's in the suit. The ONLY time he opens up a bit is when he finds out Luke is his son. And even then, he has to wait until his son is almost killed to actually do something.He became a sign of terror when he went in the suit, but he didn't become smart.And I'm not white knighting the prequels, I'm defending the Star Wars narrative as a whole. Sorry that you don't enjoy a section of it to actually care about it.Vader isn't an idiot. You say that he isn't smart in canon material, but I'd say his actions in the Darth Vader comics have shown him to be quite cunning and intelligent.Then I can say the same for how he behaves during The Clone Wars. His intelligence level does not change.yeah but Lucas isn't responsible for anakin's character development in that series. id prefer to keep this within the realm of things that Lucas is directly responsible for- the 6 movies. there is no narrative consistency between the prequel anakin and vader in the movies. the clone wars helps to remedy the character a bit, but movie anakin is a fucking moron, no way around it. vader is much much more intelligent. that doesnt make any sense. lucas is a hack.
Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:44:04 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:24:40 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.yeah, theyre all dumb as rocks. so tell me, how in the flying fuck did anakin magically become smart? i can tell you right now that palpatine isnt responsible.its a shitty narrative. lucas didnt think it through. stop white knighting the prequels.When did Anakin become smart? Vader is just as dumb in the movies, and we've barely seen any of his thought process in the new comics besides "lol lets build an army". So unless you're using non canon material to show Vader's intelligence, I don't see it.Anakin is Palpatine's lapdog, and is ignorant beyond belief, even after he's in the suit. The ONLY time he opens up a bit is when he finds out Luke is his son. And even then, he has to wait until his son is almost killed to actually do something.He became a sign of terror when he went in the suit, but he didn't become smart.And I'm not white knighting the prequels, I'm defending the Star Wars narrative as a whole. Sorry that you don't enjoy a section of it to actually care about it.Vader isn't an idiot. You say that he isn't smart in canon material, but I'd say his actions in the Darth Vader comics have shown him to be quite cunning and intelligent.Then I can say the same for how he behaves during The Clone Wars. His intelligence level does not change.
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:44:04 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:24:40 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.yeah, theyre all dumb as rocks. so tell me, how in the flying fuck did anakin magically become smart? i can tell you right now that palpatine isnt responsible.its a shitty narrative. lucas didnt think it through. stop white knighting the prequels.When did Anakin become smart? Vader is just as dumb in the movies, and we've barely seen any of his thought process in the new comics besides "lol lets build an army". So unless you're using non canon material to show Vader's intelligence, I don't see it.Anakin is Palpatine's lapdog, and is ignorant beyond belief, even after he's in the suit. The ONLY time he opens up a bit is when he finds out Luke is his son. And even then, he has to wait until his son is almost killed to actually do something.He became a sign of terror when he went in the suit, but he didn't become smart.And I'm not white knighting the prequels, I'm defending the Star Wars narrative as a whole. Sorry that you don't enjoy a section of it to actually care about it.Vader isn't an idiot. You say that he isn't smart in canon material, but I'd say his actions in the Darth Vader comics have shown him to be quite cunning and intelligent.
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:24:40 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.yeah, theyre all dumb as rocks. so tell me, how in the flying fuck did anakin magically become smart? i can tell you right now that palpatine isnt responsible.its a shitty narrative. lucas didnt think it through. stop white knighting the prequels.When did Anakin become smart? Vader is just as dumb in the movies, and we've barely seen any of his thought process in the new comics besides "lol lets build an army". So unless you're using non canon material to show Vader's intelligence, I don't see it.Anakin is Palpatine's lapdog, and is ignorant beyond belief, even after he's in the suit. The ONLY time he opens up a bit is when he finds out Luke is his son. And even then, he has to wait until his son is almost killed to actually do something.He became a sign of terror when he went in the suit, but he didn't become smart.And I'm not white knighting the prequels, I'm defending the Star Wars narrative as a whole. Sorry that you don't enjoy a section of it to actually care about it.
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.yeah, theyre all dumb as rocks. so tell me, how in the flying fuck did anakin magically become smart? i can tell you right now that palpatine isnt responsible.its a shitty narrative. lucas didnt think it through. stop white knighting the prequels.
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.
Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.
Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.
Poor Anakin...
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 04:03:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 04:02:15 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:56:48 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:53:36 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:44:04 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:24:40 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:18:16 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 03:07:00 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PMQuote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 02:16:36 PMPoor Anakin...Don't refer to him by his bitch name.Would Darth Vader technically be his bitch name though?The Anakin we saw was a whiny, selfish, brooding, asshole. Yeah he was better in TCW but that's not enough tonerase the black mark of the Prequels.Darth Vader, on the other hand, was a badass motherfucker.They're the same person. And Vader is just as whiny, selfish, and brooding. The difference being he can actually do something about it now (like killing people) instead of rubbing the Jedi Council's shaft.the biggest difference between Prequels Anakin and Original Trilogy Anakin is that Vader is calculating, intelligent, shrewd, and good at reading people. Prequels Anakin is a gullible idiot who happens to be a savant when it comes to military stratagem. Prequels Anakin isn't the kind of guy who turns into Vader. You don't just magically grow a working brain by becoming a Sith.Sounds like you need to pay attention to story then.got any specific examples or are you just spewing bullshit in the face of the truth?It all stems from the environment Anakin grew up in, Rewatch the prequels a Clone Wars and actually pay attention to details.that explains his moodiness, but not the sudden transformation from universe's dumbest jedi to authoritarian genius. nothing can explain that except for shitty writing.>Implying all Jedi aren't mentally retarded.Again, rewatch and pay attention to the Jedi order.yeah, theyre all dumb as rocks. so tell me, how in the flying fuck did anakin magically become smart? i can tell you right now that palpatine isnt responsible.its a shitty narrative. lucas didnt think it through. stop white knighting the prequels.When did Anakin become smart? Vader is just as dumb in the movies, and we've barely seen any of his thought process in the new comics besides "lol lets build an army". So unless you're using non canon material to show Vader's intelligence, I don't see it.Anakin is Palpatine's lapdog, and is ignorant beyond belief, even after he's in the suit. The ONLY time he opens up a bit is when he finds out Luke is his son. And even then, he has to wait until his son is almost killed to actually do something.He became a sign of terror when he went in the suit, but he didn't become smart.And I'm not white knighting the prequels, I'm defending the Star Wars narrative as a whole. Sorry that you don't enjoy a section of it to actually care about it.Vader isn't an idiot. You say that he isn't smart in canon material, but I'd say his actions in the Darth Vader comics have shown him to be quite cunning and intelligent.Then I can say the same for how he behaves during The Clone Wars. His intelligence level does not change.yeah but Lucas isn't responsible for anakin's character development in that series. id prefer to keep this within the realm of things that Lucas is directly responsible for- the 6 movies. there is no narrative consistency between the prequel anakin and vader in the movies. the clone wars helps to remedy the character a bit, but movie anakin is a fucking moron, no way around it. vader is much much more intelligent. that doesnt make any sense. lucas is a hack.Okay, are you stupid or misinformed? Lucas was DIRECTLY involved with the story and character development of EVERY Clone Wars episode that has aired thus far. The Clone Wars is just as much directly responsible for him as the main 6 movies. Hence why it was left canon during the EU wipe.lucas has creator credits for the clone wars because he invented star wars. he has a minor writing credit, but he wasnt involved in production or direction. doesnt count.Yeah. The TCW team consulted Lucas at times, but overall I'd say the TCW team are the one's responsible for the better portrayal of Anakin.Indeed, as the series progressed, Lucas had less and less involvement. It's important to note that the best examples of Anakin's characterization lie in the later episodes.
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Quote from: Kitsunekun on April 22, 2015, 06:21:45 PMHave you seen these hand towels though??http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1521/?cpg=nngnsorn&nan_pid=1819468639>Han Solo having a boyish looking Luke face from A New HopeKill yourself.
so what you're saying is you have run out of bullshit to defend the prequels with?i rest my case.
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 08:50:49 PMQuote from: Kitsunekun on April 22, 2015, 06:21:45 PMHave you seen these hand towels though??http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1521/?cpg=nngnsorn&nan_pid=1819468639>Han Solo having a boyish looking Luke face from A New HopeKill yourself.[emoji182] you wish
Preview of Leia #3 is up.They're trying too hard. "Strong" female character =/= making all men pussies.
Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 23, 2015, 07:27:11 PMPreview of Leia #3 is up.They're trying too hard. "Strong" female character =/= making all men pussies.Reminds me of Agent Carter. I'm fine with strong female characters but yeah, trying too hard at times. And Star Wars #4 was really good.
Quote from: RomanGladiator on April 23, 2015, 07:36:42 PMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 23, 2015, 07:27:11 PMPreview of Leia #3 is up.They're trying too hard. "Strong" female character =/= making all men pussies.Reminds me of Agent Carter. I'm fine with strong female characters but yeah, trying too hard at times. And Star Wars #4 was really good.Agreed, I really like how the series is connecting with the Darth Vader series. Also, Vader's line regarding Salacious B. Crumb was amazing.
so, how is canon determined nowadaysi thought they made it so only the movies were canon
gotchasee, that's actually niceand clean
Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2015, 07:52:57 PMgotchasee, that's actually niceand cleanYeah. Also, everything is being coordinated by the Lucasfilm story group, so we don't have a bunch of contradictions, and everything makes sense within the universe for the most part.
Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 23, 2015, 08:01:30 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2015, 07:52:57 PMgotchasee, that's actually niceand cleanYeah. Also, everything is being coordinated by the Lucasfilm story group, so we don't have a bunch of contradictions, and everything makes sense within the universe for the most part.Thank the lord.
Also, Nar Shaddaa is canon.
Notice that they renamed the EU to Star Wars "Legends". I'm hoping they capitalize on this and bring back fan-favorite characters, particularly Kyle Katarn for the Rogue One as the original thief of the first Death Star plans, though they've said it doesn't revolve around Jedi and Kyle Katarn was never part of Rogue Squadron.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on April 23, 2015, 08:56:02 PMNotice that they renamed the EU to Star Wars "Legends". I'm hoping they capitalize on this and bring back fan-favorite characters, particularly Kyle Katarn for the Rogue One as the original thief of the first Death Star plans, though they've said it doesn't revolve around Jedi and Kyle Katarn was never part of Rogue Squadron.As much as I love some of the good EU characters like Kyle Katarn, I hope they just come up with new ones instead. Kanan Jarrus seems like he was inspired by Katarn a lot. In fact, just slap a full beard on him and he's practically the same guy.
Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on April 23, 2015, 11:29:48 PMAlso, Nar Shaddaa is canon.Wasn't Nar Shaddaa mentioned in the prequels though?
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