tbf, rationalities that work against it have existed since before the bible,
and imo it's kinda edgy, and i feel free to make that judgement of it
So are you antinatalist too then? I'm making a list and checking it twice!
Why preserve something with no end game? Well, again, because we got here/evolved to this point naturally, without any sort of will, but are here now and sufficiently advanced to contemplate it. But going back to nothing means putting an end to what we have, and that would cause major suffering for those that do exist now.
My personal value lies in the notion that we can create something that generates far more happiness than there has ever been suffering in human history thus far.
Part of that process is engineering the suffering out of us, and in the meantime I'm perfectly happy to work towards that, so I will.
If you hate us so much, again, you are not obligated to count yourself among us.
Quote from: Tsirist on October 24, 2015, 01:11:16 PMSo are you antinatalist too then? I'm making a list and checking it twice!Yeah. Though I think Verb and I are the only ones here who identify as such.
I think humans should stop having children...
eggsalad. We debate it all the time; neither of us budges much though, heh. Guess it's just one of those topics
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
Quote from: Epsira on October 24, 2015, 01:22:22 PMI think humans should stop having children...And then there were 3.Do you consider yourself an AN?
How, exactly? Describe this major suffering that would be incurred as a result of no longer having kids.That is the most ridiculously idealistic thing I've ever heard.I'm sorry--no amount of happiness could ever justify the holocaust.You couldn't even justify a hangnail on a treesloth.So what, are you some kind of transhumanist?If you're suggesting that I commit suicide, that's not exactly a great option for myriad reasons. Primarily because I wouldn't make a very good advocate for what I believe in if I'm dead.
I would take immortality over progeny 100/100 times.
Quote from: Azumarill on October 24, 2015, 01:48:37 PMI would take immortality over progeny 100/100 times.What if your immortality involved giving birth to yourself every time you die?
Gotcha. I don't think you want ALL people to stop having kids. Just some people.
Quote from: Spooky Scary Grunt on October 24, 2015, 01:51:13 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 24, 2015, 01:48:37 PMI would take immortality over progeny 100/100 times.What if your immortality involved giving birth to yourself every time you die?define "yourself"
Quote from: Avant le Présent on October 24, 2015, 01:38:15 PMGotcha. I don't think you want ALL people to stop having kids. Just some people.Yeah...I have mental list really, raging from the cast of Jersey Shore to the Middle East. lol
Quote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 01:56:23 PMQuote from: Avant le Présent on October 24, 2015, 01:38:15 PMGotcha. I don't think you want ALL people to stop having kids. Just some people.Yeah...I have mental list really, raging from the cast of Jersey Shore to the Middle East. lolWell, your intentions are different from Verb and I. We want kids to stop being born 'cuz it's wrong, you want them to stop being born because their parents are annoying..?So it's not really the same but I definitely understand the thought behind it lol
So would any of the ANs here be amenable to a one-child policy rather than complete restraint from children universally all at once? With the given that it is feasible to enforce, somehow. Curious about your thoughts on that less-dramatic (imo) approach.
Quote from: Tsirist on October 24, 2015, 02:09:29 PMSo would any of the ANs here be amenable to a one-child policy rather than complete restraint from children universally all at once? With the given that it is feasible to enforce, somehow. Curious about your thoughts on that less-dramatic (imo) approach.Like China? Yeah. If all future couples just had one kid, it wouldn't be enough to sustain the human race. We could have a voucher system for that, I think.Adoption is, of course, still an option for anyone who wants kids.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 02:12:30 PMQuote from: Tsirist on October 24, 2015, 02:09:29 PMSo would any of the ANs here be amenable to a one-child policy rather than complete restraint from children universally all at once? With the given that it is feasible to enforce, somehow. Curious about your thoughts on that less-dramatic (imo) approach.Like China? Yeah. If all future couples just had one kid, it wouldn't be enough to sustain the human race. We could have a voucher system for that, I think.Adoption is, of course, still an option for anyone who wants kids.Oh it would sustain it, but the population would be smaller and more controlled, solving many overpopulation problems.
Quote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 02:13:25 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 02:12:30 PMQuote from: Tsirist on October 24, 2015, 02:09:29 PMSo would any of the ANs here be amenable to a one-child policy rather than complete restraint from children universally all at once? With the given that it is feasible to enforce, somehow. Curious about your thoughts on that less-dramatic (imo) approach.Like China? Yeah. If all future couples just had one kid, it wouldn't be enough to sustain the human race. We could have a voucher system for that, I think.Adoption is, of course, still an option for anyone who wants kids.Oh it would sustain it, but the population would be smaller and more controlled, solving many overpopulation problems.Negative. Anything less than two children produced per parent causes population decline.
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Quote from: Korra on October 23, 2015, 05:51:52 PMqeqhow do you pronounce this?
Quote from: Simseoooooooooooooooooo👌 on October 24, 2015, 03:14:06 PMQuote from: Korra on October 23, 2015, 05:51:52 PMqeqhow do you pronounce this?you pronounce it like this:y-ou-can-go-f-uck-your-s-elf-you-nig-er
Quote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 03:26:26 PMQuote from: Simseoooooooooooooooooo👌 on October 24, 2015, 03:14:06 PMQuote from: Korra on October 23, 2015, 05:51:52 PMqeqhow do you pronounce this?you pronounce it like this:y-ou-can-go-f-uck-your-s-elf-you-nig-erthat doesn't seem right, are you sure?
Immortality vs Having Kids
