Thoughts on TWD season nine?
Quote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overall
Quote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say that
Quote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.
Quote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.True the overall quality is better but with Rick being gone, I think it's a damn near fatal blow for the show No one else has that presence like Rick does Except for Negan but he's pretty just pacified into being Uncle Negan now The old gang just feels dead tbh
Quote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:19:28 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.True the overall quality is better but with Rick being gone, I think it's a damn near fatal blow for the show No one else has that presence like Rick does Except for Negan but he's pretty just pacified into being Uncle Negan now The old gang just feels dead tbhI don't know, I like Rick a lot but I feel the show has benefited from his absence. While he was on the show characters seemed to orbit him but didn't really have lives of their own. Now we're seeing characters talk who've never really interacted before (this was the first season where Carol and Michonne spoke to each other, for example). And having Daryl as a central character for the current storyline just works, whereas I don't think Rick would have had the same impact despite having most of Daryl's role in the comics.
Quote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:24:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:19:28 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.True the overall quality is better but with Rick being gone, I think it's a damn near fatal blow for the show No one else has that presence like Rick does Except for Negan but he's pretty just pacified into being Uncle Negan now The old gang just feels dead tbhI don't know, I like Rick a lot but I feel the show has benefited from his absence. While he was on the show characters seemed to orbit him but didn't really have lives of their own. Now we're seeing characters talk who've never really interacted before (this was the first season where Carol and Michonne spoke to each other, for example). And having Daryl as a central character for the current storyline just works, whereas I don't think Rick would have had the same impact despite having most of Daryl's role in the comics.Actually Rick being gone just shows how much the main cast didn't really know each other They kinda just broke off into their own groups and I felt like a lot of them were neglected And the people they did focus on were really hit or missI mean I fucking hated Carl 2.O
Quote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:37:26 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:24:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:19:28 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.True the overall quality is better but with Rick being gone, I think it's a damn near fatal blow for the show No one else has that presence like Rick does Except for Negan but he's pretty just pacified into being Uncle Negan now The old gang just feels dead tbhI don't know, I like Rick a lot but I feel the show has benefited from his absence. While he was on the show characters seemed to orbit him but didn't really have lives of their own. Now we're seeing characters talk who've never really interacted before (this was the first season where Carol and Michonne spoke to each other, for example). And having Daryl as a central character for the current storyline just works, whereas I don't think Rick would have had the same impact despite having most of Daryl's role in the comics.Actually Rick being gone just shows how much the main cast didn't really know each other They kinda just broke off into their own groups and I felt like a lot of them were neglected And the people they did focus on were really hit or missI mean I fucking hated Carl 2.OI generally liked most of the new cast. I thought the acting for Carl 2.0 was marginally better than Chandler Riggs' acting. Lydia is probably the best "child" (actress is 18 but playing a child I guess) actor the show's had and she already fits quite comfortably among the main cast. The only newbie I didn't really warm to was Kelly.I think the problems this season had probably would have been lessened had the Negan War ended in like episode 11 of Season 8 with the remainder being Rick's farewell arc as it happened in Season 9. That way, Season 9 could have started with the massive time jump which would have been a bit less jarring than it taking place in the middle of a season, plus the audience would have had more time to get over Rick's departure. That said, I think that given the absolute shitheap of falling ratings and actors leaving that she had been left with, the new showrunner did about as well as she could have done.
Quote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 06:06:05 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:37:26 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:24:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:19:28 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.True the overall quality is better but with Rick being gone, I think it's a damn near fatal blow for the show No one else has that presence like Rick does Except for Negan but he's pretty just pacified into being Uncle Negan now The old gang just feels dead tbhI don't know, I like Rick a lot but I feel the show has benefited from his absence. While he was on the show characters seemed to orbit him but didn't really have lives of their own. Now we're seeing characters talk who've never really interacted before (this was the first season where Carol and Michonne spoke to each other, for example). And having Daryl as a central character for the current storyline just works, whereas I don't think Rick would have had the same impact despite having most of Daryl's role in the comics.Actually Rick being gone just shows how much the main cast didn't really know each other They kinda just broke off into their own groups and I felt like a lot of them were neglected And the people they did focus on were really hit or missI mean I fucking hated Carl 2.OI generally liked most of the new cast. I thought the acting for Carl 2.0 was marginally better than Chandler Riggs' acting. Lydia is probably the best "child" (actress is 18 but playing a child I guess) actor the show's had and she already fits quite comfortably among the main cast. The only newbie I didn't really warm to was Kelly.I think the problems this season had probably would have been lessened had the Negan War ended in like episode 11 of Season 8 with the remainder being Rick's farewell arc as it happened in Season 9. That way, Season 9 could have started with the massive time jump which would have been a bit less jarring than it taking place in the middle of a season, plus the audience would have had more time to get over Rick's departure. That said, I think that given the absolute shitheap of falling ratings and actors leaving that she had been left with, the new showrunner did about as well as she could have done.Absolute star of season nine has to be Judith. She's definitely Rick's daughter and she brings a nice motherly angle to Michonne. Dog is a nice edition to the team too. The new people are all pretty cool except for Luke. That guy's acting just makes me cringe. I would have preferred they just stuck with the old crew though and flesh them out more. There are so many people I'm not sure who's who anymore (where the fuck was Oceanside this whole season)The Whisperers are badass tho. Beta is like if the Undertaker was in TWD. They make walkers scary again and tbh I'm kinda rooting for Alpha because she was actually hella reasonable the entire season lol
Quote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 08:50:03 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 06:06:05 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:37:26 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:24:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:19:28 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.True the overall quality is better but with Rick being gone, I think it's a damn near fatal blow for the show No one else has that presence like Rick does Except for Negan but he's pretty just pacified into being Uncle Negan now The old gang just feels dead tbhI don't know, I like Rick a lot but I feel the show has benefited from his absence. While he was on the show characters seemed to orbit him but didn't really have lives of their own. Now we're seeing characters talk who've never really interacted before (this was the first season where Carol and Michonne spoke to each other, for example). And having Daryl as a central character for the current storyline just works, whereas I don't think Rick would have had the same impact despite having most of Daryl's role in the comics.Actually Rick being gone just shows how much the main cast didn't really know each other They kinda just broke off into their own groups and I felt like a lot of them were neglected And the people they did focus on were really hit or missI mean I fucking hated Carl 2.OI generally liked most of the new cast. I thought the acting for Carl 2.0 was marginally better than Chandler Riggs' acting. Lydia is probably the best "child" (actress is 18 but playing a child I guess) actor the show's had and she already fits quite comfortably among the main cast. The only newbie I didn't really warm to was Kelly.I think the problems this season had probably would have been lessened had the Negan War ended in like episode 11 of Season 8 with the remainder being Rick's farewell arc as it happened in Season 9. That way, Season 9 could have started with the massive time jump which would have been a bit less jarring than it taking place in the middle of a season, plus the audience would have had more time to get over Rick's departure. That said, I think that given the absolute shitheap of falling ratings and actors leaving that she had been left with, the new showrunner did about as well as she could have done.Absolute star of season nine has to be Judith. She's definitely Rick's daughter and she brings a nice motherly angle to Michonne. Dog is a nice edition to the team too. The new people are all pretty cool except for Luke. That guy's acting just makes me cringe. I would have preferred they just stuck with the old crew though and flesh them out more. There are so many people I'm not sure who's who anymore (where the fuck was Oceanside this whole season)The Whisperers are badass tho. Beta is like if the Undertaker was in TWD. They make walkers scary again and tbh I'm kinda rooting for Alpha because she was actually hella reasonable the entire season lolI think the main problem this show has now is its's run out of "main cast". You have your veterans (Daryl, Carol, Michonne) who are more or less untouchable until the actor leaves. But then you have the "new veterans" (Tara, Eugene, Rosita, Gabriel) who have their fans but absolutely could not carry the show if the old veterans were to leave. Now we also have newcomers (Negan, Ezekiel, Judith, Lydia, Connie, etc) who have all become fan favourites in the past season or so, and could carry the show eventually but at this point it's too early.So there's now this situation where you have a group of characters who you can't kill off, a group that couldn't become the main cast but also can't quite be fully killed off yet, and a group that's too new to become the main cast but also would be a huge waste to kill off, leaving the show with a cast that's too bloated (although season 9 did a pretty good job of thinning the herd). With the Whisperer War coming up it would be a good time to get rid of some more characters but I think the writers need to be careful who they kill off.
Quote from: Fedorekd on September 11, 2019, 03:23:04 AMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 08:50:03 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 06:06:05 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:37:26 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:24:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:19:28 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.True the overall quality is better but with Rick being gone, I think it's a damn near fatal blow for the show No one else has that presence like Rick does Except for Negan but he's pretty just pacified into being Uncle Negan now The old gang just feels dead tbhI don't know, I like Rick a lot but I feel the show has benefited from his absence. While he was on the show characters seemed to orbit him but didn't really have lives of their own. Now we're seeing characters talk who've never really interacted before (this was the first season where Carol and Michonne spoke to each other, for example). And having Daryl as a central character for the current storyline just works, whereas I don't think Rick would have had the same impact despite having most of Daryl's role in the comics.Actually Rick being gone just shows how much the main cast didn't really know each other They kinda just broke off into their own groups and I felt like a lot of them were neglected And the people they did focus on were really hit or missI mean I fucking hated Carl 2.OI generally liked most of the new cast. I thought the acting for Carl 2.0 was marginally better than Chandler Riggs' acting. Lydia is probably the best "child" (actress is 18 but playing a child I guess) actor the show's had and she already fits quite comfortably among the main cast. The only newbie I didn't really warm to was Kelly.I think the problems this season had probably would have been lessened had the Negan War ended in like episode 11 of Season 8 with the remainder being Rick's farewell arc as it happened in Season 9. That way, Season 9 could have started with the massive time jump which would have been a bit less jarring than it taking place in the middle of a season, plus the audience would have had more time to get over Rick's departure. That said, I think that given the absolute shitheap of falling ratings and actors leaving that she had been left with, the new showrunner did about as well as she could have done.Absolute star of season nine has to be Judith. She's definitely Rick's daughter and she brings a nice motherly angle to Michonne. Dog is a nice edition to the team too. The new people are all pretty cool except for Luke. That guy's acting just makes me cringe. I would have preferred they just stuck with the old crew though and flesh them out more. There are so many people I'm not sure who's who anymore (where the fuck was Oceanside this whole season)The Whisperers are badass tho. Beta is like if the Undertaker was in TWD. They make walkers scary again and tbh I'm kinda rooting for Alpha because she was actually hella reasonable the entire season lolI think the main problem this show has now is its's run out of "main cast". You have your veterans (Daryl, Carol, Michonne) who are more or less untouchable until the actor leaves. But then you have the "new veterans" (Tara, Eugene, Rosita, Gabriel) who have their fans but absolutely could not carry the show if the old veterans were to leave. Now we also have newcomers (Negan, Ezekiel, Judith, Lydia, Connie, etc) who have all become fan favourites in the past season or so, and could carry the show eventually but at this point it's too early.So there's now this situation where you have a group of characters who you can't kill off, a group that couldn't become the main cast but also can't quite be fully killed off yet, and a group that's too new to become the main cast but also would be a huge waste to kill off, leaving the show with a cast that's too bloated (although season 9 did a pretty good job of thinning the herd). With the Whisperer War coming up it would be a good time to get rid of some more characters but I think the writers need to be careful who they kill off.I think season nine was a good stepping stone but they gotta do something to shake up the cast Like some major lore changesWhat do you think of Michonne pulling a Negan on the Whisperers?We see her with Lucille in the season ten trailer
Quote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 11, 2019, 12:43:47 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 11, 2019, 03:23:04 AMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 08:50:03 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 06:06:05 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:37:26 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:24:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 05:19:28 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 04:06:24 PMQuote from: Fedorekd on September 10, 2019, 12:23:19 PMQuote from: A Handful Of Nothing on September 10, 2019, 11:54:39 AMThoughts on TWD season nine?easily in my top 3 seasons, if not top overallWhat makes you say thatthe new showrunner has clearly listened to the majority of complaints people had about the show up until that point and addressed them pretty well. pacing is much better especially compared to the negan seasons. dialogue is a lot more natural and the corny speeches have been dialed down a lot. characters like negan and eugene have been toned down to be less ridiculous and come across more as actual people than they did before. the show has finally started giving characters stuff to do and the main trio (daryl, michonne, carol) are all relevant to the main plot in some way. great villain that brings an element of horror back that's been missing for years. i could go on but coming off of season 8 this season was a miracle.True the overall quality is better but with Rick being gone, I think it's a damn near fatal blow for the show No one else has that presence like Rick does Except for Negan but he's pretty just pacified into being Uncle Negan now The old gang just feels dead tbhI don't know, I like Rick a lot but I feel the show has benefited from his absence. While he was on the show characters seemed to orbit him but didn't really have lives of their own. Now we're seeing characters talk who've never really interacted before (this was the first season where Carol and Michonne spoke to each other, for example). And having Daryl as a central character for the current storyline just works, whereas I don't think Rick would have had the same impact despite having most of Daryl's role in the comics.Actually Rick being gone just shows how much the main cast didn't really know each other They kinda just broke off into their own groups and I felt like a lot of them were neglected And the people they did focus on were really hit or missI mean I fucking hated Carl 2.OI generally liked most of the new cast. I thought the acting for Carl 2.0 was marginally better than Chandler Riggs' acting. Lydia is probably the best "child" (actress is 18 but playing a child I guess) actor the show's had and she already fits quite comfortably among the main cast. The only newbie I didn't really warm to was Kelly.I think the problems this season had probably would have been lessened had the Negan War ended in like episode 11 of Season 8 with the remainder being Rick's farewell arc as it happened in Season 9. That way, Season 9 could have started with the massive time jump which would have been a bit less jarring than it taking place in the middle of a season, plus the audience would have had more time to get over Rick's departure. That said, I think that given the absolute shitheap of falling ratings and actors leaving that she had been left with, the new showrunner did about as well as she could have done.Absolute star of season nine has to be Judith. She's definitely Rick's daughter and she brings a nice motherly angle to Michonne. Dog is a nice edition to the team too. The new people are all pretty cool except for Luke. That guy's acting just makes me cringe. I would have preferred they just stuck with the old crew though and flesh them out more. There are so many people I'm not sure who's who anymore (where the fuck was Oceanside this whole season)The Whisperers are badass tho. Beta is like if the Undertaker was in TWD. They make walkers scary again and tbh I'm kinda rooting for Alpha because she was actually hella reasonable the entire season lolI think the main problem this show has now is its's run out of "main cast". You have your veterans (Daryl, Carol, Michonne) who are more or less untouchable until the actor leaves. But then you have the "new veterans" (Tara, Eugene, Rosita, Gabriel) who have their fans but absolutely could not carry the show if the old veterans were to leave. Now we also have newcomers (Negan, Ezekiel, Judith, Lydia, Connie, etc) who have all become fan favourites in the past season or so, and could carry the show eventually but at this point it's too early.So there's now this situation where you have a group of characters who you can't kill off, a group that couldn't become the main cast but also can't quite be fully killed off yet, and a group that's too new to become the main cast but also would be a huge waste to kill off, leaving the show with a cast that's too bloated (although season 9 did a pretty good job of thinning the herd). With the Whisperer War coming up it would be a good time to get rid of some more characters but I think the writers need to be careful who they kill off.I think season nine was a good stepping stone but they gotta do something to shake up the cast Like some major lore changesWhat do you think of Michonne pulling a Negan on the Whisperers?We see her with Lucille in the season ten trailerWhat do you mean by lore changes? I think Season 9 did a pretty good job of handling its characters and the Season 10 trailer looks very promising but yeah I'm thinking there needs to be another big culling of sorts or certain characters need to go away for a bit.SpoilerAt a guess that scene is either a vision of some sort, or it's Michonne handing Lucille to Negan and getting him to fight in the war.