Right and wrong as concepts are just arbitrary and no one has a reason to give a fuck about them beyond the repercussions that has been attached to the concepts by our legal system.
I have empathy?
Well, I mean it's true. We adhere to the social contract, following the mores and folkways of our society due to the repercussions instilled by our peers, society, and our legal system. Our actions are determined by it being socially acceptable or not. If they are not socially acceptable, we could be shunned, incarcerated, killed, etcetera. Morality is nothing more than a spook as the based Max Stirner puts it. Beyond that, there really is no reason to behave.
spook
and class, you're right up there
Quote from: SecondClass on April 18, 2016, 08:11:34 PMQuote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 18, 2016, 06:09:11 PMAlso rights don't exist as anything more than a social construct.And the piece of toast in front of me doesn't exist as anything more than a conglomeration of molecules.What the fuck does that even mean
Quote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 18, 2016, 06:09:11 PMAlso rights don't exist as anything more than a social construct.And the piece of toast in front of me doesn't exist as anything more than a conglomeration of molecules.
Also rights don't exist as anything more than a social construct.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2016, 09:25:46 PMand class, you're right up thereWhy do you put human life above morality?
Well, I'd feel pain, but yeah, you're right, the universe doesn't give a fuck about the pain I feel, it's ultimately inconsequential.
as a nihilist, you're literally throwing away everything the human race has built over millenia to be a hedonist cunt
Quote from: SecondClass on April 18, 2016, 09:28:39 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2016, 09:25:46 PMand class, you're right up thereWhy do you put human life above morality?i don'ti think the bottom line is that we disagree on morality's "focus"in my opinion, morality is focused more on the collective than the individual--because what's worse than 1 person dying of cancer? 1000 dying of cancer. it's the same scenario, amplified by an order of magnitude.if the only way to find the cure for cancer was to kill a cancer patient, you- could kill the cancer patient, and extract the cure, saving TENS of millions of people, and cancer is gone forever- could "respect" the cancer patient's individuality, as he dies two months later, and the cure dies with himif you chose the second option, you would be the worst person evernow, realistically, the cancer patient in question would likely opt to kill him or herself, because the decision would be entirely "up to him," but we all know that he's going to make the right choicebut if, for some reason, it HAD to be you, you'd be would be the worst--we would've found the most evil person everworse than the worst dictator, worse than the worst mass murderer, worse than the worst martin shkreli--because you'd allow tens of milions of people to suffer and die worldwide, just to save one person who only had two months to live anywayi can't think of anything more disgusting than that
Why do you care? Don't you want all that shit to just disappear anyways?
Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2016, 09:57:09 PMas a nihilist, you're literally throwing away everything the human race has built over millenia to be a hedonist cuntthe thing about morality is that, beyond what makes you a good person, it also builds strong, healthy, productive societiesa society run by nihilists wouldn't be a society at all--it would be anarchic chaosYou know, beyond doing drugs, something I haven't done in a while, I don't really engage in hedonism. I really can't anyhow and even if I did, let's face it, I'm not the type who would be pulling tail every day. I just acknowledge that everything is meaningless. It wouldn't matter to people in the next state, much less the next block from my house if I died tomorrow. Everything about me will be completely forgotten in I'd say roughly 20 years after I died. This isn't true for just me, but for you, and pretty much everyone else with exception of those who have obtained some form of historical immortally. My life is meaningless, yours is, my family's is, literally everyone and everything is just inconsequential.
as a nihilist, you're literally throwing away everything the human race has built over millenia to be a hedonist cuntthe thing about morality is that, beyond what makes you a good person, it also builds strong, healthy, productive societiesa society run by nihilists wouldn't be a society at all--it would be anarchic chaos
Where do we draw the line? This is ultilitarianism 101, and it's cruel. When we sacrifice the needs of the few for the needs of the many, the few get trampled on.
If you were told we could have eternal world peace and happiness if 100 people were forced to stay alive and be in constant excruciating pain eternally, then I don't give a shit what you say.
Quote from: Pepsi on April 18, 2016, 10:08:48 PMQuote from: zenengerX on April 18, 2016, 10:03:21 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2016, 09:57:09 PMas a nihilist, you're literally throwing away everything the human race has built over millenia to be a hedonist cuntthe thing about morality is that, beyond what makes you a good person, it also builds strong, healthy, productive societiesa society run by nihilists wouldn't be a society at all--it would be anarchic chaosYou know, beyond doing drugs, something I haven't done in a while, I don't really engage in hedonism. I really can't anyhow and even if I did, let's face it, I'm not the type who would be pulling tail every day. I just acknowledge that everything is meaningless. It wouldn't matter to people in the next state, much less the next block from my house if I died tomorrow. Everything about me will be completely forgotten in I'd say roughly 20 years after I died. This isn't true for just me, but for you, and pretty much everyone else with exception of those who have obtained some form of historical immortally. My life is meaningless, yours is, my family's is, literally everyone and everything is just inconsequential. you could say that you could sacrifice that person for the everlasting glory of your name written in the history books and not care for the person at all and still be a heroyou gain both immortality and respectCertainly would be nice to happen, but doubt that I'd ever be influential enough to have a place in existence like that.
Quote from: zenengerX on April 18, 2016, 10:03:21 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2016, 09:57:09 PMas a nihilist, you're literally throwing away everything the human race has built over millenia to be a hedonist cuntthe thing about morality is that, beyond what makes you a good person, it also builds strong, healthy, productive societiesa society run by nihilists wouldn't be a society at all--it would be anarchic chaosYou know, beyond doing drugs, something I haven't done in a while, I don't really engage in hedonism. I really can't anyhow and even if I did, let's face it, I'm not the type who would be pulling tail every day. I just acknowledge that everything is meaningless. It wouldn't matter to people in the next state, much less the next block from my house if I died tomorrow. Everything about me will be completely forgotten in I'd say roughly 20 years after I died. This isn't true for just me, but for you, and pretty much everyone else with exception of those who have obtained some form of historical immortally. My life is meaningless, yours is, my family's is, literally everyone and everything is just inconsequential. you could say that you could sacrifice that person for the everlasting glory of your name written in the history books and not care for the person at all and still be a heroyou gain both immortality and respect
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