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Some laws are more enforced than others, and I've rarely scene anti-piracy enforced. The only time I see anti-piracy is on DvDs where it tells you what would happen if you did it.
I'm just not one for this whole "it's not illegal if you can get away with it" philosophy.
she isn't saying it isn't illegal


 
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"It's okay if you can get away with it."
"It's permissible if you can get away with it."

Whatever.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
The only time I see anti-piracy is on DvDs where it tells you what would happen if you did it.
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I'm with BC on this one.

I don't do illegal stuff (except for pirating, but who gives a shit).

people who own the stuff your pirating and don't want you to pirate their stuff

people who, you know, would take legal action once they find out
I use a VPN when I do download, but I don't use it 24/7

And what, you think that makes you immune to legal action? You think that makes you completely anonymous?

You think the government won't know what you're doing while they're monitoring you because you use a vpn?

I really hope you don't believe this.
lol the government don't give a shit if you download some songs or movies, nor will you get into any trouble with the authorities for it

I hope you don't believe that. If we're  being  monitored than yes, you would get into a lot of trouble for it.


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I'm with BC on this one.

I don't do illegal stuff (except for pirating, but who gives a shit).

people who own the stuff your pirating and don't want you to pirate their stuff

people who, you know, would take legal action once they find out
I use a VPN when I do download, but I don't use it 24/7

And what, you think that makes you immune to legal action? You think that makes you completely anonymous?

You think the government won't know what you're doing while they're monitoring you because you use a vpn?

I really hope you don't believe this.
lol the government don't give a shit if you download some songs or movies, nor will you get into any trouble with the authorities for it

I hope you don't believe that. If we're  being  monitored than yes, you would get into a lot of trouble for it.
i believe it because it's absolutely true

thousands of people pirate every single day. the government/authorities aren't going to round up every single individual and charge them for a criminal offence. it just isn't feasible or something that's really that important or worth putting effort into when there's hundreds of actual crimes being commited every single day.

your internet provider knows what you do online and can report you, but they don't because nobody actually really cares if you pirate something and because your provider would be losing out.
the government knows what you get up to online too. if they actually gave a toss, then they'd do something about it, but they don't care because of the reasons i've already listed.

tl;dr you won't get in trouble for piracy
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You probably should, though.


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But you won't, though. It's hardly something worth caring about.


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But you won't, though. It's hardly something worth caring about.

But you will though. Plenty of people have been fined for it. Yes most people won't but people have been.

And it's worth caring about if you made product that's being pirated. It's still a crime that can and should be enforced.
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Eh, a lot of companies these days will publicly denounce it to protect their assets and look good to investors but they know that the reality is that a pirated copy doesn't equate to a lost sale and can actually end up increasing sales in certain cases.

Now if the vast majority of people turned to piracy and it really started to affect their bottom line then you'd see people start to care. However at the moment the people who are actually interested in the product being sold will actually pay for it while the people who pirate it likely had no intention of buying it in the first place and probably never would have if piracy wasn't a thing.


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But you will though. Plenty of people have been fined for it. Yes most people won't but people have been.
The amount of people that have been busted for pirating is so incredibly small that it's not even worth taking note of, like, at all.
You won't get in any kind of trouble for pirating something because it isn't worth it and it isn't really even harming anyone.

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And it's worth caring about if you made product that's being pirated. It's still a crime that can and should be enforced.
Nobody loses anything from piracy. It's such a non-crime, which is why nobody cares.
It isn't like theft at all either. You aren't taking anything from anyone.
If I made a product and it got pirated it wouldn't matter for 2 reasons. 1) Someone pirates it, likes it, then buys it. 2) Someone pirates it, doesn't like it, and doesn't buy it just like they weren't going to anyway if piracy wasn't a thing.

You can be Mr. Justice all you want, but it isn't going to change the fact that you aren't going to get into trouble for pirating, and that nobody cares enough to enforce whilst there's real crimes being commited every day like murder and rape.
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The amount of people that have been busted for pirating is so incredibly small that it's not even worth taking note of, like, at all.
You won't get in any kind of trouble for pirating something because it isn't worth it and it isn't really even harming anyone.

But people have. And people still will. It's not harming anyone but it's still stealing. It's theft.

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It isn't like theft at all either. You aren't taking anything from anyone.

It is theft though. And you are stealing.
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If I made a product and it got pirated it wouldn't matter for 2 reasons. 1) Someone pirates it, likes it, then buys it.
That doesn't justify pirating it in the first place. and yeah everyone definitely buys it after finding they like it. Totes.

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2) Someone pirates it, doesn't like it, and doesn't buy it just like they weren't going to anyway if piracy wasn't a thing.

and that's still stealing

 
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You can be Mr. Justice all you want, but it isn't going to change the fact that you aren't going to get into trouble for pirating, and that nobody cares enough to enforce whilst there's real crimes being commited every day like murder and rape.

You can deny it all you want but pirating is still theft and illegal and people guilty of it should still be punished.

also LOL just because pirating and stealing isn't as terrible or heinous as murder and rape we should just ignore it? Man that's a terrible and absolute stupid thing to say.


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But people have. And people still will. It's not harming anyone but it's still stealing
Please direct me to where I said otherwise. Oh wait.
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It's theft.


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It is theft though
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That doesn't justify pirating it in the first place.
Please direct me to where I said it does. Oh wait.
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and yeah everyone definitely buys it after finding they like it. Totes.
Never said everyone. Don't put words in my mouth.
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You can deny it all you want but pirating is still theft and illegal and people guilty of it should still be punished.
You have a habit of putting words in people's mouths don't you?
Not once have I said it wasn't illegal, because that's just flat out wrong.
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also LOL just because pirating and stealing isn't as terrible or heinous as murder and rape we should just ignore it? Man that's a terrible and absolute stupid thing to say.
Well yeah, because it's 100% true, nor is it stupid.
It's absolutely an unimportant "crime" and not worth the resources it'd take to enforce it, because it's literally a non-issue and those resources can be spent on things that're worth it.

Imagine it;
"Hello 911, there's someone at my door trying to get in and has a weapon"
"Sorry ma'am, all of our on duty officers are engaged and are currently arresting some punk kids for downloading Friday by Rebecca Black".
Headlines later that day: "Woman killed in brutal home invasion, Police arrive too late".

If you're trying to make out that you've never pirated anything, then that's complete and utter bullshit and you know it and you're just playing this whole " oh look at me mr goody two shoes" act.
How many songs have you listened to on YouTube that weren't officially uploaded? Someone call the Police! This guy has listened to an illegally uploaded song on YouTube! He deserves to be punished!


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I'm not sure how people still think making an unlicensed copy is not tantamount to theft when it comes to intellectual property.


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I don't pirate because i'm not poor L.Maooo


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Anyone who claims that they have never pirated anything is a liar


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Anyone who claims that they have never pirated anything is a liar
Yeah, and I speed occasionally, too. I'm not going to make lame excuses about how it's somehow legal or safe.


 
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Anyone who claims that they have never pirated anything is a liar
Yeah, and I speed occasionally, too. I'm not going to make lame excuses about how it's somehow legal or safe.
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I'm not sure how people still think making an unlicensed copy is not tantamount to theft when it comes to intellectual property.
Oh, it's easily tantamount to theft. People are just fucktards.


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Anyone who claims that they have never pirated anything is a liar
Yeah, and I speed occasionally, too. I'm not going to make lame excuses about how it's somehow legal or safe.
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Anyone who claims that they have never pirated anything is a liar
Yeah, and I speed occasionally, too. I'm not going to make lame excuses about how it's somehow legal or safe.
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I think people who speed, don't wear their seatbelts, and go five over the speed limit because it's "acceptable" are cunts, too. I don't expect any of these people to be punished, because it's so widespread, but what does that say about people in general?

They're reprehensible cunts.

The LEAST I should be able to do is stick my finger in their faces and say "fuck you" for doing it.
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
your internet provider knows what you do online and can report you, but they don't because nobody actually really cares if you pirate something and because your provider would be losing out.
Some actually do...


 
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I would.

If someone pirated a movie I filmed?

I'd want their head on a fucking spike.
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your internet provider knows what you do online and can report you, but they don't because nobody actually really cares if you pirate something and because your provider would be losing out.
Some actually do...
yeah, some
more won't than those that will though
and those that do will just cut you off


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I would.

If someone pirated a movie I filmed?

I'd want their head on a fucking spike.
and what if it was an obscure film made in the 90's that is unobtainable otherwise?


 
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Well, I haven't made any obscure, unobtainable films in the '90s. I'm talking me specifically, here. If someone refused to pay me for a film (or anything) that I worked hard on, I would be upset. And I'd probably want to choke the cunt.

But more importantly, I'd want that person arrested. Because that's what they deserve.
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If you cannot obtain a film legally, then... Tough life.


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Please direct me to where I said otherwise. Oh wait.

I never said you did say otherwise.

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What are you trying to say here? That just because it makes a copy it isn't theft?

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Please direct me to where I said it does. Oh wait.

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If I made a product and it got pirated it wouldn't matter  1) Someone pirates it, likes it, then buys it. 2) Someone pirates it, doesn't like it, and doesn't buy it just like they weren't going to anyway if piracy wasn't a thing.

So than what are you trying to say with this? It seems like trying to justify it to me.

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Never said everyone. Don't put words in my mouth.

So than why did you say this?
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1) Someone pirates it, likes it, then buys it
You make it out to seem that if everyone likes it, they buy it.

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Well yeah, because it's 100% true, nor is it stupid.
Just take a second to think about that sentiment. "Just because it's not as important we should ignore it."

It is really stupid when you think about it.
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It's absolutely an unimportant "crime" and not worth the resources it'd take to enforce it, because it's literally a non-issue and those resources can be spent on things that're worth it.

>still a crime and theft
>still should be punishable

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Imagine it;
"Hello 911, there's someone at my door trying to get in and has a weapon"
"Sorry ma'am, all of our on duty officers are engaged and are currently arresting some punk kids for downloading Friday by Rebecca Black".
Headlines later that day: "Woman killed in brutal home invasion, Police arrive too late".

man i don't think you know how law enforcement works

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If you're trying to make out that you've never pirated anything, then that's complete and utter bullshit and you know it and you're just playing this whole " oh look at me mr goody two shoes" act.

i never said I didn't. "Don't put words into my mouth"

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How many songs have you listened to on YouTube that weren't officially uploaded? Someone call the Police! This guy has listened to an illegally uploaded song on YouTube! He deserves to be punished!

>still theft
>still should be punishable


 
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What are you trying to say here? That just because it makes a copy it isn't theft?
Counterfeiting money should be legal, with that logic.
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Well yeah, because it's 100% true, nor is it stupid.
Just take a second to think about that sentiment. "Just because it's not as important we should ignore it."

It is really stupid when you think about it.
Also yeah, this is called a fallacy of relative privation. The there-are-starving-children-in-africa logic.

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didn't realize how badly i fucked up the quotes there, whoops
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What are you trying to say here? That just because it makes a copy it isn't theft?
Do you have eyes? Use them.
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So than what are you trying to say with this? It seems like trying to justify it to me.
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Never said everyone. Don't put words in my mouth.
Literally how is that justification?
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So than why did you say this?
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1) Someone pirates it, likes it, then buys it
You make it out to seem that if everyone likes it, they buy it.
Not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that piracy leads to potential sales, which is more than what you were getting beforehand.
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Just take a second to think about that sentiment. "Just because it's not as important we should ignore it."
I haven't said it should be ignored. I said it's literally at the bottom of the list of important things that need dealing with because it's such a non-crime.
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>still a crime and theft
>still should be punishable
lmao shut up.
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man i don't think you know how law enforcement works
Man, i wasn't being serious. Pretty obvious.
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i never said I didn't. "Don't put words into my mouth"
Keyword is "if".
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>still theft
>still should be punishable
I think you might be legitimately stupid.


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Do you have eyes? Use them
That's pretty funny how you think that's not theft than. Because it still is.

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Literally how is that justification?

You're implying that just because they buy it afterwards it's okay to make an unlicensed copy in the first place.

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I haven't said it should be ignored. I said it's literally at the bottom of the list of important things that need dealing with because it's such a non-crime

So you're saying it should be, in light of other bigger crimes, ignored. That is literally what you are saying.

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lmao shut up

Great point man you seriously enlightened me[/sarcasm]

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Man, i wasn't being serious. Pretty obvious.

"haha jokes on you I was only pretending to be retarded"

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I think you might be legitimately stupid.

coming from the guy that thinks piracy isn't theft