If you still, in this day and age, think that Snowden is a traitor...

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Oh, hey.
I'm not a terrorist, so I don't give a fuck if everything I do is recorded. I've got nothing to hide. If they want to sit there and watch me jack off, I don't care.


 
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I'm not a terrorist, so I don't give a fuck if everything I do is recorded. I've got nothing to hide. If they want to sit there and watch me jack off, I don't care.
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i'm with this guy

only rational position to take, tbh


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How the fuck did this reach 3 pages?


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
β€”Judge Aaron Satie
β€”β€”Carmen
I'm not a terrorist, so I don't give a fuck if everything I do is recorded. I've got nothing to hide. If they want to sit there and watch me jack off, I don't care.


 
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Uh, yeah, sure. If you truly don't have anything to say, then you shouldn't care about your right to free speech.

...Duh.

Thing is, everyone has something to say.

But not everyone has stuff to hide. Like me.
So that's a poor comparison, Snowman.


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Our willingness to compromise a marginal amount of privacy is apparent in the numerous ways we agreed to surrender them to various social media platforms. Globalization of society inherently requires that sacrifice.  Of course,  you're able to opt out of this by not using those services,  and in the case of Verizon being ordered to surrender metadata, your security is assured by not using a major cell phone carrier. 

Hell, just by using this site you've surrendered a relatively significant amount of information about yourself to Cheat. The real issue is what is being done with that data, and frankly,  Snowden's leak didn't indicate that it had been abused.
Last Edit: August 12, 2015, 11:06:19 PM by HurtfulTurkey


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I neither fear, nor despise.
If I recall correctly, during that interview he had he mentioned that he didn't release any info that would threaten or put U.S citizens or any government agents/employees/etc at risk.

I'm glad he exposed the data collection going on.


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I'm glad there are people who wanna stand against tyranny.


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
A government that spies on its own citizens is a government that fears its citizens


 
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He is a traitor. He is a pretty boy faggot hipster douchebag. I can tell just by looking at him.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
β€”Judge Aaron Satie
β€”β€”Carmen
He is a pretty boy faggot hipster douchebag. I can tell just by looking at him.
>projecting this hard


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He is a pretty boy faggot hipster douchebag. I can tell just by looking at him.
>projecting this hard

I projected my cum on your mom last night.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
β€”Judge Aaron Satie
β€”β€”Carmen
oh


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
>released a million documents
>acknowledges some of it fell into the hands of the enemy
>fled to russia
>started talking about cyber-warfare with china

If Snowden isn't a traitor, nobody is.


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
I'm not a terrorist, so I don't give a fuck if everything I do is recorded. I've got nothing to hide. If they want to sit there and watch me jack off, I don't care.
So you'd be perfectly comfortable having multiple state surveillance cameras inside your house 24/7?

You have nothing to hide after all, right?


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He exposed unconstitutional practices knowing fully that he would face consequences for it. If that isn't sacrificing yourself for your country, I don't know what is.


 
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unconstitutional
HA.

The US has had seven different Congresses, fourteen years of the Supreme Court, two presidents, the directors of the NSA and Secretaries of Defense all supporting the collection of metadata. And yet somehow you have the authority to determine whether or not the anonymous, autonomous collection of impersonal data is unconstitutional.


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unconstitutional
HA.

The US has had seven different Congresses, fourteen years of the Supreme Court, two presidents, the directors of the NSA and Secretaries of Defense all supporting the collection of metadata. And yet somehow you have the authority to determine whether or not the anonymous, autonomous collection of impersonal data is unconstitutional.
>anonymous
Hardly, it would be unusable if it were.

>impersonal
Calls and emails aren't personal?


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Hardly, it would be unusable if it were.
Seeing what number was called when would be unusable? Don't be absurd. Whitepages.com has more personally identifying information about you than the NSA; fuck, they need to get a warrant before an official can even access the metadata. But that doesn't nullify the capacity to draw lines between potential terrorist cells and affiliates.

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Calls and emails aren't personal?
Metadata isn't.


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
He exposed unconstitutional practices knowing fully that he would face consequences for it. If that isn't sacrificing yourself for your country, I don't know what is.
The information he leaked had literally nothing to do with domestic spying. Do your research. The files he extorted endangered military personnel and damaged the US's capacity in counter terrorism.


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Hardly, it would be unusable if it were.
Seeing what number was called when would be unusable? Don't be absurd. Whitepages.com has more personally identifying information about you than the NSA; fuck, they need to get a warrant before an official can even access the metadata. But that doesn't nullify the capacity to draw lines between potential terrorist cells and affiliates.
If they record the number, how is it anonymous?


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
If they record the number, how is it anonymous?
Because nobody can access the number without a warrant. . .

Nobody can see the information collected by the NSA without a judge signing off on it. You need to know who you're targeting before you can even approach the shit they pick up.


 
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If they record the number, how is it anonymous?
why do you even care

fuck

don't even answer, i already know


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If they record the number, how is it anonymous?
why do you even care

fuck

don't even answer, i already know
I'm not really trying to argue anything, just trying to understand.

Well, except for my first comment I guess.


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At some point in time, when the world finally collapses under it's own stressed weight and the apocalyptic fighting is over, there will be a monument built to honor Snowden and his sacrifice.


 
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I'm with BC on this one.

I don't do illegal stuff (except for pirating, but who gives a shit).


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He's not all that great. Everyone knew about it before he leaked the documents. Also, that 'nothing to hide' argument is bullshit. No wonder our privacy rights are going down the drain. How would you feel if everything you did in your life was recorded? Every conversation. Every movement. Every phone call.

I have nothing to hide, per se, but I still value privacy rights.