Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:50:18 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 03:48:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:46:00 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:44:07 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:42:36 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolnoOkay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.Hypothetical situation here :If a mentally disabled man has a chronic illness that causes him to be in immense pain for the entirety of his conscious life, but due to the nature of his psyche, insists that he wants to live instead, is it better to let him remain in torment or to end his life against his will?Definitely, definitely, definitely let him live. Choice and consent is all.Why does what someone wants matter if literally nobody else wants that?It doesn't fucking matter whatsoever what other people want. Your life is yours alone.
Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 03:48:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:46:00 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:44:07 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:42:36 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolnoOkay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.Hypothetical situation here :If a mentally disabled man has a chronic illness that causes him to be in immense pain for the entirety of his conscious life, but due to the nature of his psyche, insists that he wants to live instead, is it better to let him remain in torment or to end his life against his will?Definitely, definitely, definitely let him live. Choice and consent is all.Why does what someone wants matter if literally nobody else wants that?
Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 03:48:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:46:00 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:44:07 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:42:36 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolnoOkay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.Hypothetical situation here :If a mentally disabled man has a chronic illness that causes him to be in immense pain for the entirety of his conscious life, but due to the nature of his psyche, insists that he wants to live instead, is it better to let him remain in torment or to end his life against his will?Definitely, definitely, definitely let him live. Choice and consent is all.
Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:46:00 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:44:07 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:42:36 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolnoOkay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.Hypothetical situation here :If a mentally disabled man has a chronic illness that causes him to be in immense pain for the entirety of his conscious life, but due to the nature of his psyche, insists that he wants to live instead, is it better to let him remain in torment or to end his life against his will?
Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:44:07 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:42:36 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolnoOkay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.
Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:42:36 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolnoOkay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?
Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolno
All of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others
Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:52:00 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:50:18 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 03:48:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:46:00 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:44:07 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:42:36 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolnoOkay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.Hypothetical situation here :If a mentally disabled man has a chronic illness that causes him to be in immense pain for the entirety of his conscious life, but due to the nature of his psyche, insists that he wants to live instead, is it better to let him remain in torment or to end his life against his will?Definitely, definitely, definitely let him live. Choice and consent is all.Why does what someone wants matter if literally nobody else wants that?It doesn't fucking matter whatsoever what other people want. Your life is yours alone.The only thing that matters is impact.Are you saying killing Osama was wrong because he wanted to live?
Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:52:00 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:50:18 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:49:14 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 03:48:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:46:00 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:44:07 PMQuote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 03:42:36 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:32:27 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on otherslolnoOkay, what other value does a person have and why does it matter if whatever you esteem to be value has been lost?Self-value is all that matters. There is no numeric scale, there's a switch. If a person wants to live, his life has value. If he doesn't, his life doesn't have value. Simple as that. Other people's opinion on the person has literally no relevance at all.Hypothetical situation here :If a mentally disabled man has a chronic illness that causes him to be in immense pain for the entirety of his conscious life, but due to the nature of his psyche, insists that he wants to live instead, is it better to let him remain in torment or to end his life against his will?Definitely, definitely, definitely let him live. Choice and consent is all.Why does what someone wants matter if literally nobody else wants that?It doesn't fucking matter whatsoever what other people want. Your life is yours alone.So is that to say that we should allow people who are not of sound mind to torture themselves as they wish? Should we allow schizophrenics to dismember themselves or catatonics to starve?
Quote from: Verbatim on July 05, 2015, 03:38:47 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:24:52 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others.Enjoy being wrong.What would you say determines the value in somebody's life?
Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:24:52 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others.Enjoy being wrong.
All of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others.
Quote from: Winy on July 05, 2015, 03:39:42 PMQuote from: Verbatim on July 05, 2015, 03:38:47 PMQuote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:24:52 PMAll of the value in a person's life resides in the impact they have on others.Enjoy being wrong.What would you say determines the value in somebody's life?Its capacity to suffer.
And if they can't share their suffering what's the point?There's a reason lonely people want to kill themselves.
Also, the guy could have people caring about him. The guy could save people.Potential is an important factor.also the guy could be a newborn baby that nobody cares about yet
Quote from: DTEDesty on July 05, 2015, 04:11:53 PMAlso, the guy could have people caring about him. The guy could save people.Potential is an important factor.also the guy could be a newborn baby that nobody cares about yetbad argumentwhat if the guy goes on to be mega hitleror litters
Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 04:15:12 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on July 05, 2015, 04:11:53 PMAlso, the guy could have people caring about him. The guy could save people.Potential is an important factor.also the guy could be a newborn baby that nobody cares about yetbad argumentwhat if the guy goes on to be mega hitleror littersSo? That's bad in your eyes, but to assume that it is for me? That's a leap of faith.If the guy litters, then what? He'll be one more in so many that do.
Quote from: DTEDesty on July 05, 2015, 04:17:02 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 04:15:12 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on July 05, 2015, 04:11:53 PMAlso, the guy could have people caring about him. The guy could save people.Potential is an important factor.also the guy could be a newborn baby that nobody cares about yetbad argumentwhat if the guy goes on to be mega hitleror littersSo? That's bad in your eyes, but to assume that it is for me? That's a leap of faith.If the guy litters, then what? He'll be one more in so many that do.Point is that it's faulty to assert that you shouldn't kill him because he could go on to save lives when I could just say that he could go on to cause deaths