Identity theft isn't a crime in the UK?

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for some reason this site that's linked is making a distinction between identity theft and fraud when people normally use the first term specifically to refer to fraud

pretty sure whatever kind of fraud you're thinking of when you say identity theft is illegal
Last Edit: February 23, 2016, 03:24:04 AM by Baha


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No, but just about every form of it can fall under UK deception, fraud or personal data protection laws and can result in both criminal sentences and civil suits for tort.

And thanks to the influence of the CoE and EU, I'd also reckon that UK human rights are generally more fleshed out than those in the US, despite the UK being a bit of a rebellious type of member.
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Pretty sure that the US doesn't consider identity theft much of a crime either, actually. It's only when it enters the realm of "aggravated identity theft" (meaning that it happens during or in relation to a type of fraud) that it's criminalized behavior, which is identical to what the UK does.

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Unauthorized possession of another person's identifying documents or credit/debit cards is a crime in the US.

No fraudulent intent or action is required.


 
 
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Pretty sure that the US doesn't consider identity theft much of a crime either, actually. It's only when it enters the realm of "aggravated identity theft" (meaning that it happens during or in relation to a type of fraud) that it's criminalized behavior, which is identical to what the UK does.

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Unauthorized possession of another person's identifying documents or credit/debit cards is a crime in the US.

No fraudulent intent or action is required.
That's interesting. Do you have a source for that?
I got a m8 who went to jail for it.

Found himself a wallet and decided not to turn it in.

The credit card issue is immediately assumed to be fraudulent intent, and carrying not just somebody else's identification, but multiples of your own identification, is against the law.

You cannot carry two ID cards which serve the same purpose.

Possessing another person's SSN card is very illegal.

Passports don't even get me started on.

The only thing I can think of its okay to have is somebody else's birth certificate.


 
 
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despite the UK being a bit of a rebellious type of member.
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Pretty sure that the US doesn't consider identity theft much of a crime either, actually. It's only when it enters the realm of "aggravated identity theft" (meaning that it happens during or in relation to a type of fraud) that it's criminalized behavior, which is identical to what the UK does.

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Unauthorized possession of another person's identifying documents or credit/debit cards is a crime in the US.

No fraudulent intent or action is required.
That's interesting. Do you have a source for that?
I got a m8 who went to jail for it.

Found himself a wallet and decided not to turn it in.

The credit card issue is immediately assumed to be fraudulent intent, and carrying not just somebody else's identification, but multiples of your own identification, is against the law.

You cannot carry two ID cards which serve the same purpose.

Possessing another person's SSN card is very illegal.

Passports don't even get me started on.

The only thing I can think of its okay to have is somebody else's birth certificate.
None of that is a source, though.
If firsthand experience doesn't work for you, then not much will.

I'm not digging through the penal code on mobile.


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Question for Flee

Have you ever been ordered to surrender your identification for destruction?


 
 
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Pretty sure that the US doesn't consider identity theft much of a crime either, actually. It's only when it enters the realm of "aggravated identity theft" (meaning that it happens during or in relation to a type of fraud) that it's criminalized behavior, which is identical to what the UK does.

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BRITAIN STRONG

REPEAL THE SECOND
Unauthorized possession of another person's identifying documents or credit/debit cards is a crime in the US.

No fraudulent intent or action is required.
That's interesting. Do you have a source for that?
I got a m8 who went to jail for it.

Found himself a wallet and decided not to turn it in.

The credit card issue is immediately assumed to be fraudulent intent, and carrying not just somebody else's identification, but multiples of your own identification, is against the law.

You cannot carry two ID cards which serve the same purpose.

Possessing another person's SSN card is very illegal.

Passports don't even get me started on.

The only thing I can think of its okay to have is somebody else's birth certificate.
None of that is a source, though.
If firsthand experience doesn't work for you, then not much will.

I'm not digging through the penal code on mobile.
Firsthand experience tends to often be biased and not too reliable. Sorry, but "it happened to my mate once" is not enough of a reason for me to just believe that all unauthorized possession of identification documents is a crime in the entirety US.

I've just done a bit of digging myself and found these two statutes of federal criminal law relating to identity theft in the US.

18 US Code 1028: making it a crime to knowingly transfer or use, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal law. It criminalizes the production / usage of false ID's, the possession of another person's documents with criminal intent and so forth. Doesn't seem to say anything about mere possession of someone else's documents or credit cards.

18 US Code 1028A: making "aggravated" identity theft a crime, meaning that you use identity theft as a means to commit other more serious felonies listed in the statute.

So it's possible that you don't know the whole story of what happened to your friend and that there was more to it than someone just hanging on to a wallet they found. Or, which is also a real possibility, it might be so that your state or area has its own more stringent laws on identity theft than those that exist on a federal level. Either way, I'm really not seeing a reason to believe that the mere unauthorized possession of someone else's identifying documents is a crime in all of the US and is prosecuted under "identity theft".
lolnigga those are federal codes

You'll find that most states have common laws that are not ratified at the federal level.

For example, prostitution is illegal in all states, save Nevada.

When somebody says something is illegal in the US, like drinking under the age of 21, its generally just a very common state law.

Sorry for the lack of clarity.

The federal government likes to push its agenda 'without infringing' on states rights by threatening to cut highway funding.

That being said, mere possession can usually be considered intent on the federal level, but can you guess when the last time I heard an officer quote US law, or check their US penal code was?

Never not once.

So for the most part unless you're being arrested by the FBI you may as well ignore federal laws.

I'll find a few quotes from the penal codes of various states when I get home.


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