Quote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:45:20 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:28:09 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:21:01 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:14:38 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:10:21 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?Man made extinction has a tendency to jack up local ecosystems a decent bit. We should try and avoid that.Again, why is ecological imbalance an undesirable thing?I'm trying to get at whether these concerns are genuinely for the animals themselves, or if they are merely means to an end and people are really just worried about how they stand to be affected.For me? Mostly the later. The group as a whole is far easier to care about than any individual when you're not essentially living with that being. And I mean, if you've got a slowly regenerative but still finite resource that grows on a parabolic curve, wouldn't it make sense to leave it alone for a while until it's more self-sustaining and you're able to cull some of the population with minimal effects on it's existence?Okay. That's what I said from the beginning, though -- peoples' concerns for endangered animals are ultimately self-serving and are not the noble, compassionate qualities they are paraded as being.I'd reckon for the average person it's like that.
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:28:09 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:21:01 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:14:38 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:10:21 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?Man made extinction has a tendency to jack up local ecosystems a decent bit. We should try and avoid that.Again, why is ecological imbalance an undesirable thing?I'm trying to get at whether these concerns are genuinely for the animals themselves, or if they are merely means to an end and people are really just worried about how they stand to be affected.For me? Mostly the later. The group as a whole is far easier to care about than any individual when you're not essentially living with that being. And I mean, if you've got a slowly regenerative but still finite resource that grows on a parabolic curve, wouldn't it make sense to leave it alone for a while until it's more self-sustaining and you're able to cull some of the population with minimal effects on it's existence?Okay. That's what I said from the beginning, though -- peoples' concerns for endangered animals are ultimately self-serving and are not the noble, compassionate qualities they are paraded as being.
Quote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:21:01 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:14:38 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:10:21 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?Man made extinction has a tendency to jack up local ecosystems a decent bit. We should try and avoid that.Again, why is ecological imbalance an undesirable thing?I'm trying to get at whether these concerns are genuinely for the animals themselves, or if they are merely means to an end and people are really just worried about how they stand to be affected.For me? Mostly the later. The group as a whole is far easier to care about than any individual when you're not essentially living with that being. And I mean, if you've got a slowly regenerative but still finite resource that grows on a parabolic curve, wouldn't it make sense to leave it alone for a while until it's more self-sustaining and you're able to cull some of the population with minimal effects on it's existence?
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:14:38 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:10:21 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?Man made extinction has a tendency to jack up local ecosystems a decent bit. We should try and avoid that.Again, why is ecological imbalance an undesirable thing?I'm trying to get at whether these concerns are genuinely for the animals themselves, or if they are merely means to an end and people are really just worried about how they stand to be affected.
Quote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:10:21 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?Man made extinction has a tendency to jack up local ecosystems a decent bit. We should try and avoid that.
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?
Quote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.
Why does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:50:47 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:45:20 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:28:09 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:21:01 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:14:38 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:10:21 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?Man made extinction has a tendency to jack up local ecosystems a decent bit. We should try and avoid that.Again, why is ecological imbalance an undesirable thing?I'm trying to get at whether these concerns are genuinely for the animals themselves, or if they are merely means to an end and people are really just worried about how they stand to be affected.For me? Mostly the later. The group as a whole is far easier to care about than any individual when you're not essentially living with that being. And I mean, if you've got a slowly regenerative but still finite resource that grows on a parabolic curve, wouldn't it make sense to leave it alone for a while until it's more self-sustaining and you're able to cull some of the population with minimal effects on it's existence?Okay. That's what I said from the beginning, though -- peoples' concerns for endangered animals are ultimately self-serving and are not the noble, compassionate qualities they are paraded as being.I'd reckon for the average person it's like that.Okay, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. It just means the average person needs to be criticized for their views.
Quote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:54:36 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:50:47 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:45:20 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:28:09 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:21:01 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:14:38 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:10:21 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?Man made extinction has a tendency to jack up local ecosystems a decent bit. We should try and avoid that.Again, why is ecological imbalance an undesirable thing?I'm trying to get at whether these concerns are genuinely for the animals themselves, or if they are merely means to an end and people are really just worried about how they stand to be affected.For me? Mostly the later. The group as a whole is far easier to care about than any individual when you're not essentially living with that being. And I mean, if you've got a slowly regenerative but still finite resource that grows on a parabolic curve, wouldn't it make sense to leave it alone for a while until it's more self-sustaining and you're able to cull some of the population with minimal effects on it's existence?Okay. That's what I said from the beginning, though -- peoples' concerns for endangered animals are ultimately self-serving and are not the noble, compassionate qualities they are paraded as being.I'd reckon for the average person it's like that.Okay, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. It just means the average person needs to be criticized for their views.Yes, because worrying about permanent changes to a system that may affect us is ill desired and should not be condoned.
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 07:02:51 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:54:36 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:50:47 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:45:20 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:28:09 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:21:01 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:14:38 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 06:10:21 PMQuote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 01, 2015, 06:07:24 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 05:49:49 PMWhy does it matter whether the animal is endangered or not? It seems to illustrate that people are only concerned about animal welfare if it stands to benefit them in some way, rather than genuinely caring about the animal's interests.Extinction is bad, mkay? Unless we're talking about Jews, Slavs, gays, blacks, gypsies, Arabs, and the French.Why is it bad, though?Man made extinction has a tendency to jack up local ecosystems a decent bit. We should try and avoid that.Again, why is ecological imbalance an undesirable thing?I'm trying to get at whether these concerns are genuinely for the animals themselves, or if they are merely means to an end and people are really just worried about how they stand to be affected.For me? Mostly the later. The group as a whole is far easier to care about than any individual when you're not essentially living with that being. And I mean, if you've got a slowly regenerative but still finite resource that grows on a parabolic curve, wouldn't it make sense to leave it alone for a while until it's more self-sustaining and you're able to cull some of the population with minimal effects on it's existence?Okay. That's what I said from the beginning, though -- peoples' concerns for endangered animals are ultimately self-serving and are not the noble, compassionate qualities they are paraded as being.I'd reckon for the average person it's like that.Okay, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. It just means the average person needs to be criticized for their views.Yes, because worrying about permanent changes to a system that may affect us is ill desired and should not be condoned.I didn't say that. My problem isn't with peoples' concerns for the ecosystem; it's with the motives behind their concerns, because it results in the kind of irrational bias we've seen in this thread -- where people only care about endangered animals and disregard the rest.
My problem isn't with peoples' concerns for the ecosystem; it's with the motives behind their concerns, because it results in the kind of irrational bias we've seen in this thread -- where people only care about endangered animals and disregard the rest.
Well, I can't seem to really care about, let's say, a typical cow, because we're in no danger of losing the domestic bovine as a resource, and for the most part they're... decently taken care of. Now domestic pets are a bit of a different issue, and that's got societal conditioning behind it.
Quote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 07:10:03 PMMy problem isn't with peoples' concerns for the ecosystem; it's with the motives behind their concerns, because it results in the kind of irrational bias we've seen in this thread -- where people only care about endangered animals and disregard the rest.I fail to see how it's irrational. Cruelty to animals is cruelty to animals, regardless of whether they are pretty or rare, or neither of these. It doesn't matter much about the motive in this regard if an animal that would otherwise die out because of our negligence, when it gets to live and expand further because maybe some celebrity endorsed it to make them look good. So what if it isn't compassionate or "true to heart", the endangered animal gets a better chance of living and people who actually care still benefit!
I'd argue it's more rational to place things that affect your and/or humanity's well being on a higher priority, but arguing philosophy has never been one of my strengths.
Quote from: Comet on May 01, 2015, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: Septy on May 01, 2015, 01:09:58 PMQuote from: Comet on May 01, 2015, 01:08:18 PM>glovessepty pls.Comet pls It gets that cold here during the winter that gloves and hats are necessarywhere are you?East GAWe get ice storms and high winds. Never snow tho even though it gets down to 30 during the winter.
Quote from: Septy on May 01, 2015, 01:09:58 PMQuote from: Comet on May 01, 2015, 01:08:18 PM>glovessepty pls.Comet pls It gets that cold here during the winter that gloves and hats are necessarywhere are you?
Quote from: Comet on May 01, 2015, 01:08:18 PM>glovessepty pls.Comet pls It gets that cold here during the winter that gloves and hats are necessary
>glovessepty pls.
Quote from: Septy on May 01, 2015, 01:13:06 PMQuote from: Comet on May 01, 2015, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: Septy on May 01, 2015, 01:09:58 PMQuote from: Comet on May 01, 2015, 01:08:18 PM>glovessepty pls.Comet pls It gets that cold here during the winter that gloves and hats are necessarywhere are you?East GAWe get ice storms and high winds. Never snow tho even though it gets down to 30 during the winter.Hey! I live in Georgia too! Did you mention the Snowpocalypse from last year? lmao
Quote from: Kitsunekun on May 02, 2015, 09:50:11 AMQuote from: Septy on May 01, 2015, 01:13:06 PMQuote from: Comet on May 01, 2015, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: Septy on May 01, 2015, 01:09:58 PMQuote from: Comet on May 01, 2015, 01:08:18 PM>glovessepty pls.Comet pls It gets that cold here during the winter that gloves and hats are necessarywhere are you?East GAWe get ice storms and high winds. Never snow tho even though it gets down to 30 during the winter.Hey! I live in Georgia too! Did you mention the Snowpocalypse from last year? lmaoSnowpocalypse is the correct term for what happened last year.Kind of sad it didn't happen this year, love cold weather,
Quote from: guts on May 01, 2015, 03:44:55 AMlol please tell me you don't wear that outside?It gets up to 80 degrees now of course not
lol please tell me you don't wear that outside?
Well, I have a (faux) fursuit.It feels nice actually.
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on May 02, 2015, 03:28:34 PMWell, I have a (faux) fursuit.It feels nice actually.holy shit kill yourself
Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on May 02, 2015, 04:23:22 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on May 02, 2015, 03:28:34 PMWell, I have a (faux) fursuit.It feels nice actually.holy shit kill yourselfIt's fake. Who cares?
Quote from: Kitsunekun on May 02, 2015, 05:06:39 PMQuote from: Ayy Lemönao on May 02, 2015, 04:23:22 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on May 02, 2015, 03:28:34 PMWell, I have a (faux) fursuit.It feels nice actually.holy shit kill yourselfIt's fake. Who cares?i'm not talking about what it's made fromFURRIES YIFF IN HELL
Quote from: Lemönade on May 02, 2015, 05:21:51 PMQuote from: Kitsunekun on May 02, 2015, 05:06:39 PMQuote from: Ayy Lemönao on May 02, 2015, 04:23:22 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on May 02, 2015, 03:28:34 PMWell, I have a (faux) fursuit.It feels nice actually.holy shit kill yourselfIt's fake. Who cares?i'm not talking about what it's made fromFURRIES YIFF IN HELLSo Judgmental
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on May 02, 2015, 03:28:34 PMWell, I have a (faux) fursuit.It feels nice actually.Damn you're the first furry I've met that actually has a suit. And I've known some particularly passionate furries.
What's your view on fur
