This thread made me think that I'm the worse possible outcome. The fact that I'm fully aware and in acceptance of the moral and ethical transgressions and still eating meat rather than someone that is ignorant of the fact makes me worse than them I feel. So I'm just going to stop making excuses and I guess mark today as the first day of not eating meat. We'll see how this goes. Remember this for me is an issue of convenience more than anything. I can't just run down to McDonald's and get something cheap and quick. But goddamn when I say it like that it really is possibly the shittiest excuse out there.
I dun goofed again/ignore
My sister and her husband, who is more meat inclined, does something different however. We're scavengers. There are hunters up here, who only hunt for trophies. They will literally kill an elk, or a moose, saw its head off, and leave the rest there.It's an absolute waste. And that's where they get 90% of their meat from. The same can be said of somebody else I know. He's even worse, if you want to say. He scavenges roadkill. I'm not trying to justify anything here.But I'm curious. What's your stance on something like that?
I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head.
Quote from: Lord Starch on August 18, 2015, 12:02:57 PMI don't know whether to laugh or shake my head.Now you know how we feel.
Quote from: on August 18, 2015, 11:26:52 AMI dun goofed again/ignoreOh. Umm. Should I discard my response, then?...SpoilerQuote from: on August 18, 2015, 11:26:52 AMMy sister and her husband, who is more meat inclined, does something different however. We're scavengers. There are hunters up here, who only hunt for trophies. They will literally kill an elk, or a moose, saw its head off, and leave the rest there.It's an absolute waste. And that's where they get 90% of their meat from. The same can be said of somebody else I know. He's even worse, if you want to say. He scavenges roadkill. I'm not trying to justify anything here.But I'm curious. What's your stance on something like that?Trophy hunting?Yeah, it's absolutely unconscionable. I've no respect for it whatsoever. Hunting for food is really no better, because we have the market for that. If you don't have an income, get one. If you can't get one, well shucks, that's really shitty. I don't know too many people who have no access to any sort of job. But anyway...This is another discussion I've had with Pendulate here. As you can see, we have different approaches when it comes to veganism. Before, I was okay with hunting for as long as you used the animal for food--but not for trophies. Pendulate was making the argument that hunting for food is really no better than trophy hunting. Because at the end of the day, an animal that didn't need to be killed was killed, and there's no way to justify that. I'm inclined to agree with him.People will always make the argument that hunting is necessary to sort out population issues. I don't buy that, but all I can do is hypothesize. I lack the sources/numbers to really prove anything--I'm not terribly well-learned on the subject of hunting.
I'm doing a really piss poor job of being sorted out today. Apologies. My question in regards to what my family does.Not in the sense of "does that make the killing right" kind of way. But, I'm curious as to what your view on us would be in terms of morals. We don't actively hunt or kill, and like I said, an inch or more over the line and we'd probably be vegans. But it's difficult up here because plants, eatable ones are a bitch to find and grow over the course of about 4 months.And to us, hunting something, and not using what you've gained to your fullest extent possible, is incredibly disrespectful to the loss of life that something underwent. Which is why we scavenge from hunters who don't give a shit.And the markets? They're completely unreliable, both in what they sell, how they sell it, and the fact that survival needs to be taken into account up here in any decision you make.
Quote from: on August 18, 2015, 12:29:38 PMI'm doing a really piss poor job of being sorted out today. Apologies. My question in regards to what my family does.Not in the sense of "does that make the killing right" kind of way. But, I'm curious as to what your view on us would be in terms of morals. We don't actively hunt or kill, and like I said, an inch or more over the line and we'd probably be vegans. But it's difficult up here because plants, eatable ones are a bitch to find and grow over the course of about 4 months.And to us, hunting something, and not using what you've gained to your fullest extent possible, is incredibly disrespectful to the loss of life that something underwent. Which is why we scavenge from hunters who don't give a shit.And the markets? They're completely unreliable, both in what they sell, how they sell it, and the fact that survival needs to be taken into account up here in any decision you make.I guess there's nothing I see that I'd consider reprehensible on any moral level. I dunno, it's a funny circumstance--not one I can really relate to, either. You do what you can, and if there's anything you do that could be considered unethical, you do your best to make the most of it. I don't see a problem, really, but Pendulate might be able to find something wrong, because nothing is right with him.
You guys should just eat Venezuelan energy crystals like me.
i personally commend vegans and vegetarians
