Quote from: Verbatim on April 11, 2016, 03:31:51 PM

Star Wars is objectively shit--especially the OT.

There are no deeper meanings in those movies at all.

I have actually come to expect an explicit lack of understanding of the classical hero's epic from somebody so out of touch with humanities as yourself.

The "classical hero's epic" is the most simple form of story of all time, and claiming that there is anything remotely "deep" about it is a fucking joke.

Oh that scene.

I still don't understand what the fuck he was talking about. Was he just being a little bitch about spending his childhood on Tatooine?

TIL stating your dislike of something is "being a little bitch."

The point was that he was using the sand to juxtapose how he feels about Padme. He contrasts the feeling of the sand on Tatooine to the feeling of Padme's skin, which he describes as "soft" and "smooth" as a way of consorting her.

Sure, it sounds weird when you're forced to over-analyze it to idiots, but it's actually a pretty sweet line.

Quote from: IangerX on April 11, 2016, 04:26:28 PM

Oh that scene.

I still don't understand what the fuck he was talking about. Was he just being a little bitch about spending his childhood on Tatooine?

TIL stating your dislike of something is "being a little bitch."

The point was that he was using the sand to juxtapose how he feels about Padme. He contrasts the feeling of the sand on Tatooine to the feeling of Padme's skin, which he describes as "soft" and "smooth" as a way of consorting her.

Sure, it sounds weird when you're forced to over-analyze it to idiots, but it's actually a pretty sweet line.

Verb fuckin gets it.

Anyone who says they like the prequels more than the originals are either just mad that Mr. Plinkett was right, or they like the negative attention that comes with being a contrarian.

If all I wanted to be was contrarian, I would hate the Force Awakens, as well (to my understanding, most people liked it).

Red Letter Media is admittedly brilliant, but his Star Wars reviews are 90% nitpicks. You can make an hour long review about literally any movie, over-analyze all of its little flaws, and act like you have an objective viewpoint. But you don't.

You could make the same kind of review for the entire OT. It would be easy, because the only reason people like the OT is rooted almost entirely in personal bias and nostalgia.

It's about what the transformation that hero undergoes, and how it relates to the daily life and aspiration of the common man.

Themes that are expressed in pretty much every movie ever that puts an average joe in an unfamiliar universe. It is the cookie-cutter, go-to method of investing your audience in the story.

You could argue that Star Wars is one of the first franchises to put those themes on the big screen, but you'd be wrong.

Name a character similar to Vader before his creation.

Themes that are expressed in pretty much every movie ever that puts an average joe in an unfamiliar universe. It is the cookie-cutter, go-to method of investing your audience in the story.

Explain. I don't see how.

Darkseid, Bucky Barnes (the Winter Solider), Dr. Doom. All predate Vader.

Design-wise, Vader is about as derivative as you can get.

Chop chop pal, I'm not seeing any points being made.

Convenient.

>I don't want to give my reason why because then he could poke holes in it.

Why am I obliged to explain the obvious to you?

>I don't want to give my reason why because then he could poke holes in it.

You would poke holes in it regardless, because you're so offended at the notion that your precious Star Wars isn't the most original thing in the world.

Darkseid is a supervillain bent on conquering galaxies. A two second Google search would've told you that.
Dr. Doom is another villain whose design was pretty much one of the main inspirations for Darth Vader's design.

This excerpt explains the similarities between the Winter Soldier and Darth Vader reasonably well.

Vader and Bucky are both only pawns in the schemes of greater players, though they ended up in their respective situations through very different means. Although he was manipulated to a degree by the Emperor, Anakin became Darth Vader of his own volition. In contrast, Bucky had no say in becoming the Winter Soldier. He was brainwashed and transformed into a mindless assassin, losing all memories of his former life. He’s confused when Steve calls him by name (“Who the hell is Bucky?”), echoing Vader’s reaction to Luke referring to him as Anakin (“That name no longer has any meaning for me!”). Both Vader and Bucky are “more machine now than man,” which refers to more than just their mechanical limbs.

>i'm too afraid to do research on my own for fear of discovering that my beloved darth vader is actually unoriginal as fuck

Quote from: Ian on April 11, 2016, 06:59:19 PM

Name a character similar to Vader before his creation.

Darkseid, Bucky Barnes (the Winter Solider), Dr. Doom. All predate Vader.

Design-wise, Vader is about as derivative as you can get.

You completely missed the point.

The answer we were looking for was Oedipus.

>defeat great threat
>come to power
>become coldblooded dickhead
>realize familial connection
>sacrifice self in repentence

You would poke holes in it regardless, because you're so offended at the notion that your precious Star Wars isn't the most original thing in the world.

Quote me where I said Star Wars was the most original thing in the world. This all started because you didn't want to admit the OT wasn't shallow. But you're right in that I'll poke holes in it regardless.

Darkseid is a supervillain bent on conquering galaxies. A two second Google search would've told you that.

Wew lad, because Vader's only goal in life was to conquer the galaxy, not just follow the whims of the Emperor. He really didn't give a shit about "Ruling the Galaxy" because that was always the Emperor's goal. not his, Vader was just going through the motions as the military commander until he found out about his son.

Dr. Doom is another villain whose design was pretty much one of the inspirations for Darth Vader's design.

You mean visually speaking?

This except explains the similarities between the Winter Soldier and Darth Vader reasonably well.

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Vader and Bucky are both only pawns in the schemes of greater players, though they ended up in their respective situations through very different means. Although he was manipulated to a degree by the Emperor, Anakin became Darth Vader of his own volition. In contrast, Bucky had no say in becoming the Winter Soldier. He was brainwashed and transformed into a mindless assassin, losing all memories of his former life. He’s confused when Steve calls him by name (“Who the hell is Bucky?”), echoing Vader’s reaction to Luke referring to him as Anakin (“That name no longer has any meaning for me!”). Both Vader and Bucky are “more machine now than man,” which refers to more than just their mechanical limbs.

>i'm too afraid to do research on my own for fear of discovering that my beloved darth vader is actually unoriginal as fuck

>Excerpt mentions they have mechanical limbs and follow a master
>"T-There totally the same artistically speaking guys!"

Quote me where I said Star Wars was the most original thing in the world. This all started because you didn't want to admit the OT wasn't shallow. But you're right in that I'll poke holes in it regardless.

Because you're a stereotypical pathetic SW fanboy.

Wew lad, because Vader's only goal in life was to conquer the galaxy, not just follow the whims of the Emperor. He really didn't give a shit about "Ruling the Galaxy" because that was always the Emperor's goal. not his, Vader was just going through the motions as the military commander until he found out about his son.

>Excerpt mentions they have mechanical limbs and follow a master
>"T-There totally the same artistically speaking guys!"

You told me to find "similar" characters, you fucking dumbass. Not "exactly the same fucking character."

Moving the goalposts much?